khans2k5 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day where there is a pro drug lord argument made because governments do worse shit lol
All drugs should be decriminalized. The U.S. imprisons the HIGHEST percentage of people in the entire world. That is the worst, 197th of 197 countries.
Drugs are not the problem, it's an excuse to lock up poor people and minorities for years and ruin their lives. You might not know the most prisons are privatized and for profit corporations. Putting people in prison is big business.
I'm starting to think you might be on something... Not on to something, but like actually on drugs. Some of your takes unrelated to basketball make my jaw drop.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
-Socrates
I wasn't debating. I just think you have some very... peculiar... thoughts about the world and the evils that exist in it. I'd imagine you got to some of your conclusions with the assistance of drugs. And if not, then that's quite the imagination you have.
khans2k5 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day where there is a pro drug lord argument made because governments do worse shit lol
All drugs should be decriminalized. The U.S. imprisons the HIGHEST percentage of people in the entire world. That is the worst, 197th of 197 countries.
Drugs are not the problem, it's an excuse to lock up poor people and minorities for years and ruin their lives. You might not know the most prisons are privatized and for profit corporations. Putting people in prison is big business.
I'm starting to think you might be on something... Not on to something, but like actually on drugs. Some of your takes unrelated to basketball make my jaw drop.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
-Socrates
I wasn't debating. I just think you have some very... peculiar... thoughts about the world and the evils that exist in it. I'd imagine you got to some of your conclusions with the assistance of drugs. And if not, then that's quite the imagination you have.
Those are facts, not conclusions. Sorry to tell you the truth.
My only conclusion was what to do and that is to decriminalize all drugs. Not to mention the black market makes getting drugs much easier for kids. If you don't want your kids doing drugs then they should be legal.
khans2k5 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day where there is a pro drug lord argument made because governments do worse shit lol
All drugs should be decriminalized. The U.S. imprisons the HIGHEST percentage of people in the entire world. That is the worst, 197th of 197 countries.
Drugs are not the problem, it's an excuse to lock up poor people and minorities for years and ruin their lives. You might not know the most prisons are privatized and for profit corporations. Putting people in prison is big business.
The only drug that should be decriminalized is weed. Decriminalizing hardcore drugs that literally ruin lives due to addiction and side effects is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Just because let's say heroin is "legal" it doesn't mean you would do it would you? If you want to do some heroin I'm sure you could find some tonight if you tried hard enough. It's not wether something is legal or not as to why you do or don't do something. Look at how many 10's of millions of people smoke weed? It's a schedule 1 drug by the Federal GOV. Yet it's on every street in America.
The War on Drugs was really a War on the Poor and Minorities. The goal was to ruin the lives of poor and minorities and to put them in prison. Look at the direct contradiction in the sentencing between Crack and Cocaine. Crack had, maybe still has much more severe penalties yet what is crack? Crack is simply Cocaine cut with Baking soda. It's the exact same thing but the target was blacks, minorities and poor people. These are facts many do not understand.
Then we have the for profit prison system. They make money by imprisoning people. Same with the police force and the court system. They are incentivized to put people away for silly drug sales or possessions.
Portugal a couple years ago decriminalized all drugs, not only that they give away hard drugs to addicts for free along with pamphlets for treatment facilities and clean needles. So now these addicts are not going around and stealing to fund their addictions. The crime rate got cut in half immediately. Less people in prisons, less things being stolen, less taxes going to prisons, less court costs.
I do think the idea of decriminalizing drugs is something to consider. At the very least it doesn't seem like the prison system is the answer...to a lot of problems. Maybe we could try something else.
Prisons are profiting off crime...seems like capitalism has its problems too. Your idea that if governments would basically go away and there would not be some sort of people in power which would end up oppressing people...seems unlikely based on human history.
khans2k5 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day where there is a pro drug lord argument made because governments do worse shit lol
All drugs should be decriminalized. The U.S. imprisons the HIGHEST percentage of people in the entire world. That is the worst, 197th of 197 countries.
Drugs are not the problem, it's an excuse to lock up poor people and minorities for years and ruin their lives. You might not know the most prisons are privatized and for profit corporations. Putting people in prison is big business.
The only drug that should be decriminalized is weed. Decriminalizing hardcore drugs that literally ruin lives due to addiction and side effects is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Just because let's say heroin is "legal" it doesn't mean you would do it would you? If you want to do some heroin I'm sure you could find some tonight if you tried hard enough. It's not wether something is legal or not as to why you do or don't do something. Look at how many 10's of millions of people smoke weed? It's a schedule 1 drug by the Federal GOV. Yet it's on every street in America.
The War on Drugs was really a War on the Poor and Minorities. The goal was to ruin the lives of poor and minorities and to put them in prison. Look at the direct contradiction in the sentencing between Crack and Cocaine. Crack had, maybe still has much more severe penalties yet what is crack? Crack is simply Cocaine cut with Baking soda. It's the exact same thing but the target was blacks, minorities and poor people. These are facts many do not understand.
Then we have the for profit prison system. They make money by imprisoning people. Same with the police force and the court system. They are incentivized to put people away for silly drug sales or possessions.
Portugal a couple years ago decriminalized all drugs, not only that they give away hard drugs to addicts for free along with pamphlets for treatment facilities and clean needles. So now these addicts are not going around and stealing to fund their addictions. The crime rate got cut in half immediately. Less people in prisons, less things being stolen, less taxes going to prisons, less court costs.
I do think the idea of decriminalizing drugs is something to consider. At the very least it doesn't seem like the prison system is the answer...to a lot of problems. Maybe we could try something else.
Prisons are profiting off crime...seems like capitalism has its problems too. Your idea that if governments would basically go away and there would not be some sort of people in power which would end up oppressing people...seems unlikely based on human history.
I think it's extremely unlikely that any GOV is overthrown and simply no group steps in to take up the power vacuum. It would take educating the masses and that is simply not possible with how severe most people are indoctrinated and programmed.
I appreciate you are open to decriminalizing drugs. I do think that is something that could be accomplished in our lifetimes that unfairly targets minorities and poor people.
khans2k5 wrote:Never thought I'd see the day where there is a pro drug lord argument made because governments do worse shit lol
All drugs should be decriminalized. The U.S. imprisons the HIGHEST percentage of people in the entire world. That is the worst, 197th of 197 countries.
Drugs are not the problem, it's an excuse to lock up poor people and minorities for years and ruin their lives. You might not know the most prisons are privatized and for profit corporations. Putting people in prison is big business.
The only drug that should be decriminalized is weed. Decriminalizing hardcore drugs that literally ruin lives due to addiction and side effects is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
Just because let's say heroin is "legal" it doesn't mean you would do it would you? If you want to do some heroin I'm sure you could find some tonight if you tried hard enough. It's not wether something is legal or not as to why you do or don't do something. Look at how many 10's of millions of people smoke weed? It's a schedule 1 drug by the Federal GOV. Yet it's on every street in America.
The War on Drugs was really a War on the Poor and Minorities. The goal was to ruin the lives of poor and minorities and to put them in prison. Look at the direct contradiction in the sentencing between Crack and Cocaine. Crack had, maybe still has much more severe penalties yet what is crack? Crack is simply Cocaine cut with Baking soda. It's the exact same thing but the target was blacks, minorities and poor people. These are facts many do not understand.
Then we have the for profit prison system. They make money by imprisoning people. Same with the police force and the court system. They are incentivized to put people away for silly drug sales or possessions.
Portugal a couple years ago decriminalized all drugs, not only that they give away hard drugs to addicts for free along with pamphlets for treatment facilities and clean needles. So now these addicts are not going around and stealing to fund their addictions. The crime rate got cut in half immediately. Less people in prisons, less things being stolen, less taxes going to prisons, less court costs.
I do think the idea of decriminalizing drugs is something to consider. At the very least it doesn't seem like the prison system is the answer...to a lot of problems. Maybe we could try something else.
Prisons are profiting off crime...seems like capitalism has its problems too. Your idea that if governments would basically go away and there would not be some sort of people in power which would end up oppressing people...seems unlikely based on human history.
I think it's extremely unlikely that any GOV is overthrown and simply no group steps in to take up the power vacuum. It would take educating the masses and that is simply not possible with how severe most people are indoctrinated and programmed.
I appreciate you are open to decriminalizing drugs. I do think that is something that could be accomplished in our lifetimes that unfairly targets minorities and poor people.
I can't believe I'm saying this because I do think you are way out there on your beliefs but I 100% can see the argument of decriminalizing drugs.
That doesn't mean you still can't be punished doing stupid shit while on drugs but having drugs and using drugs i see no reason why people need to be punished for this.
There is a good-faith argument to be made for decriminalizing drugs - and also a good faith argument for not. It's a worthy topic of civil debate.
Any decriminalization strategy would require a robust government-led policy around how to tax, distribute, and restrict access to the most vulnerable (e.g children) to said illicit drugs. Whatever regulatory scheme is put in place would need to be loose enough to largely eliminate the black market while still tight enough to prevent a serious increase in drug use and the associated societal costs that come with it.
And herein lies the dilemma for WolvesFan in particular. The very key to enabling decriminalization of drugs involves trusting a government to set-up the right regulatory system - a government that he accuses of being in a vast conspiracy to brainwash and program its citizens.
Q12543 wrote:There is a good-faith argument to be made for decriminalizing drugs - and also a good faith argument for not. It's a worthy topic of civil debate.
Any decriminalization strategy would require a robust government-led policy around how to tax, distribute, and restrict access to the most vulnerable (e.g children) to said illicit drugs. Whatever regulatory scheme is put in place would need to be loose enough to largely eliminate the black market while still tight enough to prevent a serious increase in drug use and the associated societal costs that come with it.
And herein lies the dilemma for WolvesFan in particular. The very key to enabling decriminalization of drugs involves trusting a government to set-up the right regulatory system - a government that he accuses of being in a vast conspiracy to brainwash and program its citizens.
Treat it like alcohol and/or do what Portugal did and hand out certain hard drugs for free but with handing out treatment information along with it too. Maybe if someone is daily getting treatment planted into their heads they might finally do it.
Q12543 wrote:There is a good-faith argument to be made for decriminalizing drugs - and also a good faith argument for not. It's a worthy topic of civil debate.
Any decriminalization strategy would require a robust government-led policy around how to tax, distribute, and restrict access to the most vulnerable (e.g children) to said illicit drugs. Whatever regulatory scheme is put in place would need to be loose enough to largely eliminate the black market while still tight enough to prevent a serious increase in drug use and the associated societal costs that come with it.
And herein lies the dilemma for WolvesFan in particular. The very key to enabling decriminalization of drugs involves trusting a government to set-up the right regulatory system - a government that he accuses of being in a vast conspiracy to brainwash and program its citizens.
Treat it like alcohol and/or do what Portugal did and hand out certain hard drugs for free but with handing out treatment information along with it too. Maybe if someone is daily getting treatment planted into their heads they might finally do it.
Portugal has 10 million people in their whole country. We have 330 million. It's not as simple as just get people to hand out free drugs and help people get the help they need when you are talking about so much bigger of a scale.
I'm an alcoholic who has been sober for 26 years. Because of that record I have been around addicts and abusers for a long time. It's just my opinion, but to me there is no lower life form than that of the drug dealer. When you see the perils of addiction and what it does to families, you see there isn't much worse than the affects of illegal drugs on our society. And the slimy bastards who profit from this activity are the root of the problem. I have zero sympathy for those who make their living destroying other peoples lives.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I'm an alcoholic who has been sober for 26 years. Because of that record I have been around addicts and abusers for a long time. It's just my opinion, but to me there is no lower life form than that of the drug dealer. When you see the perils of addiction and what it does to families, you see there isn't much worse than the affects of illegal drugs on our society. And the slimy bastards who profit from this activity are the root of the problem. I have zero sympathy for those who make their living destroying other peoples lives.
Thanks for sharing Cool and props to you on sobriety.
I was just thinking isn't there an element of prescription drug companies profiting off additive medications destroying their lives too?
