Beasley gets paid by the Wolves

[mrhockey89]

I thought Beasley went to Jail. Is playing on a work release deal?

He won a 1-on-1 pink slips game vs The Professor, so he was released and The Professor is serving Beasley's time.

[Lipoli390]

Im surprised at the negativity. The extra year at 15 per seems pretty good for a shooter. Hes going to get some nice clean looks with Ricky. We do need size but the MLE plus another trade should get us there.

If he didn't have the legal issues I'd be ok with it to some extent especially the way some guys have been getting paid but this is ridiculous. It felt like we bid against nobody.

That's pretty much the way I feel, Monster. I'd also feel better about signing Beasley if we had drafted Wiseman or Okongwu to help defensively and better balance the roster. Nevertheless, looking at the FA contracts getting doled out tonight, I can't say the Beasley deal is out of whack with the marketplace. The problem thought, is that it doesn't look like the Wolves allowed he market to set a price for him. Maybe Rosas had some credible information that another team, perhaps the Knicks, were going to offer more. But if that were the case, wouldn't Beasley's agent also know? And if so, why would he agree to this deal?

[Volans19]

I like you guys, but man this board cracks me up right now.

With every signing, Wolves or other team, there's at least one person's heart racing. Wolves pick Edwards, a few like it, most hate it and call for Rosas' firing. Wolves trade for Rubio, some love it, some say we apparently aren't going to have any shooters. Wolves re-sign Beasley (our best non-KAT shooter), half love it, other half call him an idiot. Some say he was worth it before the trouble but we should get a discount, others say he's worth it either way, others say he was never worth it. We're on day 1 of free agency, our lineup is incomplete as is our offseason.

Regardless of Beasley's contract, one thing we know is that if we lost Beasley we'd have to replace his shooting in time, to carry out the vision. One thing that I also think we know is that we're going to be a small-ball type team (not overly surprising). I was hoping Beasley would come at a discount (~$11-12 mil) but wasn't convinced he would given he's young and entering his prime and has a premium skill in today's NBA. All it would take is 1 team. Then there's RFA, we could match. Of course, if a team is signing Beasley as a RFA away from us, they're probably going to structure the deal in a way that isn't favorable to how the Wolves plan to project their own salary cap going forward (whether it be years, money, option, front-loading, etc).

At the risk of sounding like an apologist, I don't think we need to sound the alarm.

1. Edwards has as much upside as anyone in the draft, and as Paul Pierce said, to win a championship in today's NBA, you need a superstar on the perimeter, so even if Wiseman is the real deal, it may not be the right move. So perhaps swinging for the fences with Edwards makes sense. (I'd have picked Wiseman, but I can't be overly critical of the move).

2. #17 and #33 for Rubio, Jaden McDaniels, and Bolmaro. According to NBA TV last night I believe it was, Bolmaro was going late 1st round either way. Did we need to trade up from 25 to 23? Maybe, maybe not. Obviously they thought he was going #24. To me, Bolmaro represents Rubio's replacement in a year or two. I'm definitely a Rubio fan, and think his value goes very much unnoticed. He not only provides us a clear veteran leader who can still play, but he knows how to control tempo (a very underrated skill), he plays defense, gives full effort, and provides a roadmap for the younger players both on the roster and Bolmaro for when he comes. Then you have Jaden McDaniels. I know as little about him as most of you. The kid has quite a skill set that shows up clearly on his highlight tape, but has some definite obstacles to overcome. This sounds like the type of guy the Denver Nuggets draft, and I don't say that as a bad thing. I do get the interest in Bey, and I had interest in him, but clearly our FO didn't like him as much as the board did, and we really should just see how this all plays out on the floor.

3. Malik Beasley- Whether he is worth $15/3+1 or not and his remaining potential are up for debate, but I think all of us can agree that, as a player we like the skill set he brings. We all think he's a knucklehead. So if some would pay him $10 mil, others $13 mil, and others $15 mil, we know we're keeping a player that fits the skill set, age, and a need for this team. We can only speculate of whether we could have kept him for less or not, but most (if not all) of us agree that from a skill set standpoint, we wanted to keep him. A hole was not created by declining to sign him. Let's say we save $2-3 mil a year, I'd say that makes less of a difference than if we give the wrong person the money (like we did when we paid Dieng).

4. The offseason is not over. We DO need another big. I actually am less thrilled with Naz Reid's development than probably anyone on this board. I was excited to see his size/skill set last year in summer league. He looked extremely raw in actual NBA game play though, even at the end of the season, and even when he was putting up a bit better numbers. We need this guy to take a major jump or he'll be a backup that isn't ready. At PF, we need to hope for a jump forward for the young guys and a trade/signing to get us a legit starter (ala Taj Gibson).

At SF, people need to just get used to the fact that we're a small ball type team, at least for 2020. Edwards is 19 though, and could easily grow another inch or two. This is a roster that's still being molded, and still finding out what parts will fit and won't.

All in all, one thing I can confidently say is that for the first time in a while, I think all the Wolves contracts are tradeable if we find things aren't fitting. We don't have any atrocious contracts lingering on our roster (i.e. bad player making big money).

Breathe, take a step back, and let's see how this plays out. We didn't even get to see Towns and Russell play together last year but maybe a game. We didn't have a player like Rubio on our team last year, and we didn't have Edwards on our team last year. There are a TON of unknowns on how this actually looks on court.

I wish there was a like button. Good write up

[mrhockey89]

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[th]Starter[/th]
[th]Rotation Player[/th]
[th]Depth[/th]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Point Guard[/td]
[td]D'Angelo Russell[/td]
[td]Ricky Rubio[/td]
[td]Jordan McLaughlin[/td]
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[tr]
[td]Shooting Guard[/td]
[td]Malik Beasley[/td]
[td]Josh Okogie[/td]
[td]Jaylen Nowell[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Small Forward[/td]
[td]Anthony Edwards[/td]
[td]Jarrett Culver[/td]
[td]Jake Layman[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Power Forward[/td]
[td]Juan Hernangomez[/td]
[td]Jarred Vanderbilt[/td]
[td]Jaden McDaniels[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Center[/td]
[td]Karl-Anthony Towns[/td]
[td]Naz Reid[/td]
[td]Omari Spellman[/td]
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Is this really what the Wolves are rolling with for the next season?

Cam they need to make more moves and get this whole roster to have guys with J's in their names. Lol

NOOOO!!!!

Unless Ricky's middle name is Jesus, Juan, or something... He's the reason my interest has been rekindled!

[table]

Tim, didn't you know Rubio's nickname is Jesus? At least that's what Donovan Mitchell calls him.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Well, at least there's a few of you enjoying this off-season. I'm glad somebody is.

[mjs34]

Well, at least there's a few of you enjoying this off-season. I'm glad somebody is.

I don't think anyone could have predicted it!

I am waiting for a KAT for a SG trade though.

[Monster]

Im surprised at the negativity. The extra year at 15 per seems pretty good for a shooter. Hes going to get some nice clean looks with Ricky. We do need size but the MLE plus another trade should get us there.

If he didn't have the legal issues I'd be ok with it to some extent especially the way some guys have been getting paid but this is ridiculous. It felt like we bid against nobody.

That's pretty much the way I feel, Monster. I'd also feel better about signing Beasley if we had drafted Wiseman or Okongwu to help defensively and better balance the roster. Nevertheless, looking at the FA contracts getting doled out tonight, I can't say the Beasley deal is out of whack with the marketplace. The problem thought, is that it doesn't look like the Wolves allowed he market to set a price for him. Maybe Rosas had some credible information that another team, perhaps the Knicks, were going to offer more. But if that were the case, wouldn't Beasley's agent also know? And if so, why would he agree to this deal?

I agree to some extent Beasley's deal might be what the market states is his value in this offseason. Dane Moore Tweeted that the Knicks were actually looking to make a similar offer so... The thing is Dieng's deal was in line With other guys that got paid that offseason. That didn't make it a good deal. Beasley's deal feels a lot like that. This front office didn't make a smart decision IMO on the Beasley contract. There is gonna be some guard that might end up being as good as Beasley that gets half or a 3rd as much money after everything settles. 3 years with the team option for the 4th year does help because if you have to dump him at least you may be able to use him as salty relief a couple years down the road and if Malik somehow is the real deal they will have him locked in for 4 years. I just have a hard time believing in Malik based on the info we now have and he isn't some proven guy on the court either. He is an aspiring guy that's really a bench player (33 career starts 14 of those with the Wolves).

I'd be interested to know what the Knicks would have been willing to give up in a sign and trade. What did the Wolves pass up? What was another opportunity cost there?

[SameOldNudityDrew]

I like you guys, but man this board cracks me up right now.

With every signing, Wolves or other team, there's at least one person's heart racing. Wolves pick Edwards, a few like it, most hate it and call for Rosas' firing. Wolves trade for Rubio, some love it, some say we apparently aren't going to have any shooters. Wolves re-sign Beasley (our best non-KAT shooter), half love it, other half call him an idiot. Some say he was worth it before the trouble but we should get a discount, others say he's worth it either way, others say he was never worth it. We're on day 1 of free agency, our lineup is incomplete as is our offseason.

Regardless of Beasley's contract, one thing we know is that if we lost Beasley we'd have to replace his shooting in time, to carry out the vision. One thing that I also think we know is that we're going to be a small-ball type team (not overly surprising). I was hoping Beasley would come at a discount (~$11-12 mil) but wasn't convinced he would given he's young and entering his prime and has a premium skill in today's NBA. All it would take is 1 team. Then there's RFA, we could match. Of course, if a team is signing Beasley as a RFA away from us, they're probably going to structure the deal in a way that isn't favorable to how the Wolves plan to project their own salary cap going forward (whether it be years, money, option, front-loading, etc).

At the risk of sounding like an apologist, I don't think we need to sound the alarm.

1. Edwards has as much upside as anyone in the draft, and as Paul Pierce said, to win a championship in today's NBA, you need a superstar on the perimeter, so even if Wiseman is the real deal, it may not be the right move. So perhaps swinging for the fences with Edwards makes sense. (I'd have picked Wiseman, but I can't be overly critical of the move).

2. #17 and #33 for Rubio, Jaden McDaniels, and Bolmaro. According to NBA TV last night I believe it was, Bolmaro was going late 1st round either way. Did we need to trade up from 25 to 23? Maybe, maybe not. Obviously they thought he was going #24. To me, Bolmaro represents Rubio's replacement in a year or two. I'm definitely a Rubio fan, and think his value goes very much unnoticed. He not only provides us a clear veteran leader who can still play, but he knows how to control tempo (a very underrated skill), he plays defense, gives full effort, and provides a roadmap for the younger players both on the roster and Bolmaro for when he comes. Then you have Jaden McDaniels. I know as little about him as most of you. The kid has quite a skill set that shows up clearly on his highlight tape, but has some definite obstacles to overcome. This sounds like the type of guy the Denver Nuggets draft, and I don't say that as a bad thing. I do get the interest in Bey, and I had interest in him, but clearly our FO didn't like him as much as the board did, and we really should just see how this all plays out on the floor.

3. Malik Beasley- Whether he is worth $15/3+1 or not and his remaining potential are up for debate, but I think all of us can agree that, as a player we like the skill set he brings. We all think he's a knucklehead. So if some would pay him $10 mil, others $13 mil, and others $15 mil, we know we're keeping a player that fits the skill set, age, and a need for this team. We can only speculate of whether we could have kept him for less or not, but most (if not all) of us agree that from a skill set standpoint, we wanted to keep him. A hole was not created by declining to sign him. Let's say we save $2-3 mil a year, I'd say that makes less of a difference than if we give the wrong person the money (like we did when we paid Dieng).

4. The offseason is not over. We DO need another big. I actually am less thrilled with Naz Reid's development than probably anyone on this board. I was excited to see his size/skill set last year in summer league. He looked extremely raw in actual NBA game play though, even at the end of the season, and even when he was putting up a bit better numbers. We need this guy to take a major jump or he'll be a backup that isn't ready. At PF, we need to hope for a jump forward for the young guys and a trade/signing to get us a legit starter (ala Taj Gibson).

At SF, people need to just get used to the fact that we're a small ball type team, at least for 2020. Edwards is 19 though, and could easily grow another inch or two. This is a roster that's still being molded, and still finding out what parts will fit and won't.

All in all, one thing I can confidently say is that for the first time in a while, I think all the Wolves contracts are tradeable if we find things aren't fitting. We don't have any atrocious contracts lingering on our roster (i.e. bad player making big money).

Breathe, take a step back, and let's see how this plays out. We didn't even get to see Towns and Russell play together last year but maybe a game. We didn't have a player like Rubio on our team last year, and we didn't have Edwards on our team last year. There are a TON of unknowns on how this actually looks on court.

I wish there was a like button. Good write up

Yep, good to have perspective.

Also, for what it's worth, I heard the Knicks waived Gibson. That's surprising given Thibs is there, and I didn't see him last year so I'm not sure how much he's dropped off (per 36 numbers look about identical the last three years), but if we need to get a PF for the vet minimum, he was a pretty solid defender next to KAT, rebounded fairly well, was efficient offensively, and was just a straight-up vet presence (which I do think this team needs).

[mrhockey89]

Well, at least there's a few of you enjoying this off-season. I'm glad somebody is.

I think I'd understand the widespread pessimism a bit more if the Wolves went against conventional wisdom in a major way in any of their moves. Even if we like Wiseman, he wasn't as obvious of prospect as either of last year's top 2. Even if we dislike the mid/late 1sts, all players at that point are a gamble as it is (or they wouldn't have lasted to that point). Even if we think Beasley got overpaid, we needed shooting if our intent is to ditch the mid-range.

It may not be everyone's ideal offseason, but nothing the Wolves have done, in my opinion, can be viewed as shocking.

[Volans19]

I like you guys, but man this board cracks me up right now.

With every signing, Wolves or other team, there's at least one person's heart racing. Wolves pick Edwards, a few like it, most hate it and call for Rosas' firing. Wolves trade for Rubio, some love it, some say we apparently aren't going to have any shooters. Wolves re-sign Beasley (our best non-KAT shooter), half love it, other half call him an idiot. Some say he was worth it before the trouble but we should get a discount, others say he's worth it either way, others say he was never worth it. We're on day 1 of free agency, our lineup is incomplete as is our offseason.

Regardless of Beasley's contract, one thing we know is that if we lost Beasley we'd have to replace his shooting in time, to carry out the vision. One thing that I also think we know is that we're going to be a small-ball type team (not overly surprising). I was hoping Beasley would come at a discount (~$11-12 mil) but wasn't convinced he would given he's young and entering his prime and has a premium skill in today's NBA. All it would take is 1 team. Then there's RFA, we could match. Of course, if a team is signing Beasley as a RFA away from us, they're probably going to structure the deal in a way that isn't favorable to how the Wolves plan to project their own salary cap going forward (whether it be years, money, option, front-loading, etc).

At the risk of sounding like an apologist, I don't think we need to sound the alarm.

1. Edwards has as much upside as anyone in the draft, and as Paul Pierce said, to win a championship in today's NBA, you need a superstar on the perimeter, so even if Wiseman is the real deal, it may not be the right move. So perhaps swinging for the fences with Edwards makes sense. (I'd have picked Wiseman, but I can't be overly critical of the move).

2. #17 and #33 for Rubio, Jaden McDaniels, and Bolmaro. According to NBA TV last night I believe it was, Bolmaro was going late 1st round either way. Did we need to trade up from 25 to 23? Maybe, maybe not. Obviously they thought he was going #24. To me, Bolmaro represents Rubio's replacement in a year or two. I'm definitely a Rubio fan, and think his value goes very much unnoticed. He not only provides us a clear veteran leader who can still play, but he knows how to control tempo (a very underrated skill), he plays defense, gives full effort, and provides a roadmap for the younger players both on the roster and Bolmaro for when he comes. Then you have Jaden McDaniels. I know as little about him as most of you. The kid has quite a skill set that shows up clearly on his highlight tape, but has some definite obstacles to overcome. This sounds like the type of guy the Denver Nuggets draft, and I don't say that as a bad thing. I do get the interest in Bey, and I had interest in him, but clearly our FO didn't like him as much as the board did, and we really should just see how this all plays out on the floor.

3. Malik Beasley- Whether he is worth $15/3+1 or not and his remaining potential are up for debate, but I think all of us can agree that, as a player we like the skill set he brings. We all think he's a knucklehead. So if some would pay him $10 mil, others $13 mil, and others $15 mil, we know we're keeping a player that fits the skill set, age, and a need for this team. We can only speculate of whether we could have kept him for less or not, but most (if not all) of us agree that from a skill set standpoint, we wanted to keep him. A hole was not created by declining to sign him. Let's say we save $2-3 mil a year, I'd say that makes less of a difference than if we give the wrong person the money (like we did when we paid Dieng).

4. The offseason is not over. We DO need another big. I actually am less thrilled with Naz Reid's development than probably anyone on this board. I was excited to see his size/skill set last year in summer league. He looked extremely raw in actual NBA game play though, even at the end of the season, and even when he was putting up a bit better numbers. We need this guy to take a major jump or he'll be a backup that isn't ready. At PF, we need to hope for a jump forward for the young guys and a trade/signing to get us a legit starter (ala Taj Gibson).

At SF, people need to just get used to the fact that we're a small ball type team, at least for 2020. Edwards is 19 though, and could easily grow another inch or two. This is a roster that's still being molded, and still finding out what parts will fit and won't.

All in all, one thing I can confidently say is that for the first time in a while, I think all the Wolves contracts are tradeable if we find things aren't fitting. We don't have any atrocious contracts lingering on our roster (i.e. bad player making big money).

Breathe, take a step back, and let's see how this plays out. We didn't even get to see Towns and Russell play together last year but maybe a game. We didn't have a player like Rubio on our team last year, and we didn't have Edwards on our team last year. There are a TON of unknowns on how this actually looks on court.

I wish there was a like button. Good write up

Yep, good to have perspective.

Also, for what it's worth, I heard the Knicks waived Gibson. That's surprising given Thibs is there, and I didn't see him last year so I'm not sure how much he's dropped off (per 36 numbers look about identical the last three years), but if we need to get a PF for the vet minimum, he was a pretty solid defender next to KAT, rebounded fairly well, was efficient offensively, and was just a straight-up vet presence (which I do think this team needs).

Taj would be an incredible get for the minimum. I think he'll chase a ring though. Maybe Miami?