Ryan Saunders Fired!

[mrhockey89]

Hockey, I was using foresight when I ranted about how bad the DLO trade was the day it happened. No hindsight here.

Any GM that tries to copy the mild success of his former employer has already lost. Now he's trying to play catch up, and unless he gets extremely lucky, he will fail sooner than later. Like many of our problems Glen is at the root of this. He made the decision to hire Rosas, something that should never have happened. Believe me I hate to be a downer, but until we get the right PBO nothing much is going to change.

Curious, can you name me one GM that didn't try to at least somewhat replicate the system they came from? Who should they have hired rather than Rosas? Chauncey? Rosas represented the direction the NBA is going, so I don't get the animosity to the hire itself?

[Lipoli390]

Hockey, I was using foresight when I ranted about how bad the DLO trade was the day it happened. No hindsight here.

Any GM that tries to copy the mild success of his former employer has already lost. Now he's trying to play catch up, and unless he gets extremely lucky, he will fail sooner than later. Like many of our problems Glen is at the root of this. He made the decision to hire Rosas, something that should never have happened. Believe me I hate to be a downer, but until we get the right PBO nothing much is going to change.

I think you nailed it, Cool.

Like you, I thought the DLO deal was a bad one from the get go. I probably had a higher opinion of DLO than you did at the time and I saw his as an upgrade over DLO. But I thought at the time that what we gave up way too much in what I considered a ridiculously one-sided deal. I also thought DLO was a particularly bad fit for this team given how bad we were defensively and how much our system was supposed to stress ball movement.

Bottom line, as you noted, is that nothing's going to change until we get the PBO right. I don't think Glen got it right with Rosas, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

[mrhockey89]

I think it would be interesting to list out the good moves and the bad moves by Rosas and then do the comparison. I'd argue that although this team stinks, he hasn't been as much of a trainwreck as people make it out to be.

[Coolbreeze44]

Hockey, I was using foresight when I ranted about how bad the DLO trade was the day it happened. No hindsight here.

Any GM that tries to copy the mild success of his former employer has already lost. Now he's trying to play catch up, and unless he gets extremely lucky, he will fail sooner than later. Like many of our problems Glen is at the root of this. He made the decision to hire Rosas, something that should never have happened. Believe me I hate to be a downer, but until we get the right PBO nothing much is going to change.

Curious, can you name me one GM that didn't try to at least somewhat replicate the system they came from? Who should they have hired rather than Rosas? Chauncey? Rosas represented the direction the NBA is going, so I don't get the animosity to the hire itself?

Look at the most successful teams of the last 30 years and you will have your answer.

[mrhockey89]

Hockey, I was using foresight when I ranted about how bad the DLO trade was the day it happened. No hindsight here.

Any GM that tries to copy the mild success of his former employer has already lost. Now he's trying to play catch up, and unless he gets extremely lucky, he will fail sooner than later. Like many of our problems Glen is at the root of this. He made the decision to hire Rosas, something that should never have happened. Believe me I hate to be a downer, but until we get the right PBO nothing much is going to change.

Curious, can you name me one GM that didn't try to at least somewhat replicate the system they came from? Who should they have hired rather than Rosas? Chauncey? Rosas represented the direction the NBA is going, so I don't get the animosity to the hire itself?

Look at the most successful teams of the last 30 years and you will have your answer.

I'm not following. I just want examples of GMs or coaches that didn't attempt to mimic their previous gigs. I'd argue that's the reason most of these guys are hired, so they WILL emulate their previous stops and the systems they come from.

[thedoper]

I think if it took Rosas this long to hire his man there must some more systemic problems with this franchise that make it challenging to purely evaluate anything below the source of dysfunction. Ryan had no business having the job in the first place, and no business staying in the job this long. Now we know someone else was Gerson's guy all along, no way is a new hire set up with a multi year deal immediately if this was not the original plan. Now at least we "know" Gerson has his guy and his plan in place.

[mrhockey89]

I think if it took Rosas this long to hire his man there must some more systemic problems with this franchise that make it challenging to purely evaluate anything below the source of dysfunction. Ryan had no business having the job in the first place, and no business staying in the job this long. Now we know someone else was Gerson's guy all along, no way is a new hire set up with a multi year deal immediately if this was not the original plan. Now at least we "know" Gerson has his guy and his plan in place.

Could be. I think the plus of having had Ryan in as coach is that he was the guy the players said they wanted. That didn't work out, so now I would think that would humble guys like Towns to understand players don't always know best.

[kekgeek]

Bold prediction, Ryan Saunders will be the Wolves head coach again in my lifetime. He just wasn't ready, he is 34, seems like he is a good dude who could/can make connections with his players. He'll land on his feet and maybe in 10 years he'll learn a lot more and be a ton better for it. Thought Ryan was a terrible HC but he is a good person who got a job he wasn't ready for

[Lipoli390]

Bold prediction, Ryan Saunders will be the Wolves head coach again in my lifetime. He just wasn't ready, he is 34, seems like he is a good dude who could/can make connections with his players. He'll land on his feet and maybe in 10 years he'll learn a lot more and be a ton better for it. Thought Ryan was a terrible HC but he is a good person who got a job he wasn't ready for

I agree, kek. Ryan may or may not end up getting another head coaching gig and, if he does, he may or may not be successful. The bottom line is that he clearly wasn't ready for the job when Rosas hired him. Not only was he really young; he had never been a head coach or even a top assistant at any level of basketball, professional or amateur.

The Wolves organization did Ryan a terrible disservice by putting him in this position long before he was ready. And of course, it was bad for the organization as well. If Gersson wanted to hire Finch when he took the reins here, then that's what he should have done. Instead, he went with Ryan, perhaps to placate the owner but more likely to please KAT. Either way, it was Gersson's decision just like it was his decision to swing and miss on Garland, draft Culver, trade for DLO, sign Juancho and trade for Ricky.

Here's hoping that Gersson's decision to hire Finch will turn out better than his decisions I just listed. Maybe this hire will be more like his decision to acquire Beasley, draft McDaniels and sign Naz Reid.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I will never believe that the decision to hire Ryan Saunders was Gersson Rosas' to make. Rosas was hired with an understanding that Saunders was to have his interim label removed. That came from the very top. Glen Taylor's stench is all over that move, unfortunately. How quickly Rosas pivoted to Chris Finch only further solidifies that idea for me. It's evident that Finch is his guy. That was very likely his choice back in 2019 when he interviewed for the position as well. Finch to Minnesota never transpired because of Taylor's affinity and blind faith in Saunders. It's just more obvious now.