Wolves vs Pacers GDT

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

That's right. Next year will be different. And the year after that. And then the year after that. I'm not sure when would be appropriate to fire Ryan Saunders. We just haven't seen enough yet...

[Wolvesfan21]

That's right. Next year will be different. And the year after that. And then the year after that. I'm not sure when would be appropriate to fire Ryan Saunders. We just haven't seen enough yet...

Why would you fire him? The Wolves are showing very nice progress considering we are playing the youngest team by a longshot in the league. Rubio is finally getting healthy and into NBA condition. Rubio was a huge disappointment till these last couple games. Other then him I would say JO and Culver on offense have been as well (shooting and finishing). All the rest of the players are playing above my expectations. Ryan I think is doing a good job really considering everything.

The team has been competitive and could easily start winning more then they lose. The players are buying in and getting better. That's all you can ask really. Are the players buying in, playing hard? Yes.

[thedoper]

This could end up being the worst Timberwolves team ever from a winning percentage and we may still lose our pick. Amazing how Rosas and Ryan have job security in the midst of that. Maybe their is a bigger problem with this franchise?

[kekgeek]

Saunders said the last play of regulation was designed to get KAT rolling to the hoop or Edwards attacking the rim. Clear he didn't want the 3 there.

From Jon K


So does our coach have 0 respect from the players because Kat did not roll at all and Ant settled for a 3....

[Porckchop]

That's right. Next year will be different. And the year after that. And then the year after that. I'm not sure when would be appropriate to fire Ryan Saunders. We just haven't seen enough yet...

Why would you fire him? The Wolves are showing very nice progress considering we are playing the youngest team by a longshot in the league. Rubio is finally getting healthy and into NBA condition. Rubio was a huge disappointment till these last couple games. Other then him I would say JO and Culver on offense have been as well (shooting and finishing). All the rest of the players are playing above my expectations. Ryan I think is doing a good job really considering everything.

The team has been competitive and could easily start winning more then they lose. The players are buying in and getting better. That's all you can ask really. Are the players buying in, playing hard? Yes.

How do you think the worst team in the league will start winning more than they lose when not only have they not done it this year but for 16 years.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

That's right. Next year will be different. And the year after that. And then the year after that. I'm not sure when would be appropriate to fire Ryan Saunders. We just haven't seen enough yet...

Why would you fire him? The Wolves are showing very nice progress considering we are playing the youngest team by a longshot in the league. Rubio is finally getting healthy and into NBA condition. Rubio was a huge disappointment till these last couple games. Other then him I would say JO and Culver on offense have been as well (shooting and finishing). All the rest of the players are playing above my expectations. Ryan I think is doing a good job really considering everything.

The team has been competitive and could easily start winning more then they lose. The players are buying in and getting better. That's all you can ask really. Are the players buying in, playing hard? Yes.

"Very nice progress" doesn't lead to a 7-22 record. "Very nice progress" doesn't mean losing at a higher rate than previous years. The Wolves have gotten worse every year that Ryan Saunders has been the head coach. And while the parts around him have changed, the results stay the same or worse.

Tom Thibodeau
2017-18: 47-35 (.573) -- 113.4 ORtg, 111.1 DRtg
2018-19: 19-21 (.475) -- 111.2 ORtg, 110.6 DRtg

Ryan Saunders
2018-19: 17-25 (.405) -- 112.9 ORtg, 116.3 DRtg
2019-20: 19-45 (.297) -- 108.1 ORtg, 112.2 DRtg
2020-21: 7-22 (.241) -- 106.5 ORtg, 113.9 DRtg

Minnesota has lost by 15-plus points eight times already this season. If you're keeping up, that means the Wolves are more likely to lose by 15 or more points than they are to win. They're also 1-5 this season in games decided by three points or less. That's not a competitive team. The very definition of competitive is to be as good as or better than others of a comparable nature. Minnesota has the worst record in basketball. Saunders just isn't getting the job done. We can debate about whether or not he's a capable game manager (he's not), or if he's utilizing his players to their best capabilities (he's not), or if he's a savvy X's and O's coach (he's not). But the fact remains that this franchise has only gotten worse under Saunders.

Do results not matter? How much worse are we willing to get under Saunders?

[kekgeek]

That's right. Next year will be different. And the year after that. And then the year after that. I'm not sure when would be appropriate to fire Ryan Saunders. We just haven't seen enough yet...

Why would you fire him? The Wolves are showing very nice progress considering we are playing the youngest team by a longshot in the league. Rubio is finally getting healthy and into NBA condition. Rubio was a huge disappointment till these last couple games. Other then him I would say JO and Culver on offense have been as well (shooting and finishing). All the rest of the players are playing above my expectations. Ryan I think is doing a good job really considering everything.

The team has been competitive and could easily start winning more then they lose. The players are buying in and getting better. That's all you can ask really. Are the players buying in, playing hard? Yes.

"Very nice progress" doesn't lead to a 7-22 record. "Very nice progress" doesn't mean losing at a higher rate than previous years. The Wolves have gotten worse every year that Ryan Saunders has been the head coach. And while the parts around him have changed, the results stay the same or worse.

Tom Thibodeau
2017-18: 47-35 (.573) -- 113.4 ORtg, 111.1 DRtg
2018-19: 19-21 (.475) -- 111.2 ORtg, 110.6 DRtg

Ryan Saunders
2018-19: 17-25 (.405) -- 112.9 ORtg, 116.3 DRtg
2019-20: 19-45 (.297) -- 108.1 ORtg, 112.2 DRtg
2020-21: 7-22 (.241) -- 106.5 ORtg, 113.9 DRtg

Minnesota has lost by 15-plus points eight times already this season. If you're keeping up, that means the Wolves are more likely to lose by 15 or more points than they are to win. They're also 1-5 this season in games decided by three points or less. That's not a competitive team. The very definition of competitive is to be as good as or better than others of a comparable nature. Minnesota has the worst record in basketball. Saunders just isn't getting the job done. We can debate about whether or not he's a capable game manager (he's not), or if he's utilizing his players to their best capabilities (he's not), or if he's a savvy X's and O's coach (he's not). But the fact remains that this franchise has only gotten worse under Saunders.

To go along with this there have been 336 head coaches. Ryan is 255 when it comes to winning % and dead last in winning % in active coaches. There have been 187 coaches to coach 3 or more seasons. Ryan is 165th out of 187 in winning % in NBA history of coaches to coach in 3 seasons.

I don't know if firing Ryan solves things but in terms of results Ryan is one of the worst coaches in NBA history. When do results start mattering to this organization.

If he makes it to year 4. He'll enter that season as at best the 8th least successful coach in NBA history to see 4 years

[KiwiMatt]

Just take a minute to look at Domantas Sabonis' stats tonight. 36 points shooting 60%, 17 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals and a block. Now that's a monster triple double.

No disrespect to KAT, but when has he ever posted those type of numbers?

[thedoper]

Just take a minute to look at Domantas Sabonis' stats tonight. 36 points shooting 60%, 17 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals and a block. Now that's a monster triple double.

No disrespect to KAT, but when has he ever posted those type of numbers?

Never. He will once he's traded though and he plays the Wolves.

[FNG]

Saunders said the last play of regulation was designed to get KAT rolling to the hoop or Edwards attacking the rim. Clear he didn't want the 3 there.

From Jon K


So does our coach have 0 respect from the players because Kat did not roll at all and Ant settled for a 3....

Clearly. In fact if you read KAT's and Ant's lips on the sidelines, you can see them plotting to do the opposite of what the coach drew up. I'm pretty sure I saw KAT saying "I don't respect Ryan, so Ant, put up a wild 3 rather than the play he designed".

Come on, kek...isn't the "fire Ryan" narrative getting a little silly? Players make mistakes sometimes, and it isn't always on the coach. This is one of those times. Ant and KAT have been quite effective in the 2-man game of late, and the play call was right. The execution? Not so much.