1. Ingram
2. Simmons
3. Hield
4. Bender
5. Dunn
6. Luwawu
7. Valentine
8. Marquese Chriss
9. Baldwin
10 Jaylen Brown
11. Patrick McCaw
12. Taurean Prince
13. Jakob Poeltl
14. Sabonis
15. Jamal Murray
16. Furkan Kormaz
17. Deyonta Davis
18. Thon Maker
19. Skal Labissiere
20. Ellenson
21 Bentil
22. Ante Zizic
23. Gary Payton II
24. Guerschon Yabusele
25. Petr Cornelie
26. Brice Johnson
27. Cordinier
28. Qi
29. Caris Levert
30. Robert Carter
TR,
Where is Dejounte Murray?
I am not sold on him as an elite prospect so I left him out of my top 30. His shooting percentages and turnovers were bad. DraftExpress also doesn't have him in their top 30. He is young and some people like him, but I do note that he was ranked 46th by Rivals coming out of high school and one year of so-so results doesn't move the needle for me.
For some reason, Jaylen Brown to me is the player I am rooting for at #5. This kid is not only burning up workouts but his intellectual understanding of how to win, compete and become what he wants to become is addictive. It will be an interesting next 3 plus weeks
slimcalhoun27 wrote:For some reason, Jaylen Brown to me is the player I am rooting for at #5. This kid is not only burning up workouts but his intellectual understanding of how to win, compete and become what he wants to become is addictive. It will be an interesting next 3 plus weeks
I just don't see the appeal. I felt similarly about Stanley Johnson in last year's draft. He has an NBA body and athletic profile, but the results are pretty underwhelming when you look at how he actually produced.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
I wasn't thrilled with the Tyus pick last summer and I was really down on him watching him play early this past season. But it's important to remember how well he played after the all-star break. It's also important to remember his age and the fact that he came out after only one year of college. He's an excellent playmaker and he's also a shot-maker. He's not particularly quick laterally, but he has excellent anticipation and works hard on the defensive end.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
True, there is redundancy with Rubio, but I am looking at things less from a positional standpoint and more from an overall functional standpoint. We could use better defense on our perimeter and I think he can offer that at both guard spots, which means he could play with Tyus Jones some. In fact, he and Tyus compliment each other well in that Tyus is a much steadier (or is it headier?) floor general and Dunn is more of an athletic defensive type.
Lots of teams go to two-PG sets off the bench and I see no reason why Dunn can't be a combo guard off the bench.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
I know Dunn is going to be the better player. There are some things Tyus just can't do at his physical profile that Dunn can and most of it is on the defensive end. At the end of the day we are talking the best PG prospect in one draft going top 5 versus a guy who saw multiple PG's drafted before him for a reason. I think Tyus is made to be a solid backup PG. I think Dunn has star potential. Creating offense off the dribble is still king in this league and that's what Dunn does. He adds to that a great defensive profile and really his only weakness is his shooting which we have the worst shooting PG of all time so we can only go up there, but if he figures that out he's going to pass Ricky as the starter or at least should. Dunn has some turnover issues, but it's not like he has a horrible assist : turnover ratio. He was still over 2:1 on a team with 1 other offensive option handling most of the load with him. Decision making is correctable. He has his flaws, but I also see the tools for a very good player especially under Thibs. I wouldn't let Tyus be a reason to not take Dunn if he's there.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
True, there is redundancy with Rubio, but I am looking at things less from a positional standpoint and more from an overall functional standpoint. We could use better defense on our perimeter and I think he can offer that at both guard spots, which means he could play with Tyus Jones some. In fact, he and Tyus compliment each other well in that Tyus is a much steadier (or is it headier?) floor general and Dunn is more of an athletic defensive type.
Lots of teams go to two-PG sets off the bench and I see no reason why Dunn can't be a combo guard off the bench.
Dunn would also possibly give the Wolves an athletic ball handling basket attacker. they don't exactly have that right now in any of the players on the roster for one reason or another.
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
I know Dunn is going to be the better player. There are some things Tyus just can't do at his physical profile that Dunn can and most of it is on the defensive end. At the end of the day we are talking the best PG prospect in one draft going top 5 versus a guy who saw multiple PG's drafted before him for a reason. I think Tyus is made to be a solid backup PG. I think Dunn has star potential. Creating offense off the dribble is still king in this league and that's what Dunn does. He adds to that a great defensive profile and really his only weakness is his shooting which we have the worst shooting PG of all time so we can only go up there, but if he figures that out he's going to pass Ricky as the starter or at least should. Dunn has some turnover issues, but it's not like he has a horrible assist : turnover ratio. He was still over 2:1 on a team with 1 other offensive option handling most of the load with him. Decision making is correctable. He has his flaws, but I also see the tools for a very good player especially under Thibs. I wouldn't let Tyus be a reason to not take Dunn if he's there.
khans2k5 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
Duke13 wrote:What are his big holes? His turnover rate I'm guessing. Surrounding him with better talent and coaching could cure that. His handle is pretty solid according to most experts.
I was thinking about this recently, without having done any research, it seems PGs drafted in the top half of the lottery seem to meet expectations at a higher rate than other positions.
Turnover rate is kind of a big deal with PGs and it's not because his team mates can't catch. He's put up similar turnover numbers every year in college, which suggests to me it's more a function of his decision making abilities. The other hole in his game is his shooting efficiency. A 54 TS% as an upperclassmen PG with his athleticism and size is pretty underwhelming. That would be fine if he were 19 years old and still growing into his body, but that's not really the case. I would have expected him to be a much more efficient scorer by now. The fact he hasn't cracked 70% from the line in 4 years of college is somewhat troubling.
All of that being said, the reason I like him is because of defense, steals, rebounding, and his ability in the open floor. I can see him playing off the ball some too given his size.
Completely agree with you here Q, but it's the reason I don't want him for us. Those traits are totally redundant of our current point guard. Not sure he is going to be an upgrade over Tyus who was able to come out after one year. So project Tyus 2 years from now and tell me you know for sure Dunn is going to be the better player.
I know Dunn is going to be the better player. There are some things Tyus just can't do at his physical profile that Dunn can and most of it is on the defensive end. At the end of the day we are talking the best PG prospect in one draft going top 5 versus a guy who saw multiple PG's drafted before him for a reason. I think Tyus is made to be a solid backup PG. I think Dunn has star potential. Creating offense off the dribble is still king in this league and that's what Dunn does. He adds to that a great defensive profile and really his only weakness is his shooting which we have the worst shooting PG of all time so we can only go up there, but if he figures that out he's going to pass Ricky as the starter or at least should. Dunn has some turnover issues, but it's not like he has a horrible assist : turnover ratio. He was still over 2:1 on a team with 1 other offensive option handling most of the load with him. Decision making is correctable. He has his flaws, but I also see the tools for a very good player especially under Thibs. I wouldn't let Tyus be a reason to not take Dunn if he's there.
I'm not going to tell you that Tyus will be the better pro. He could be, but that's not my point. My point is while Tyus was leading his team to a national championship as college freshman, Dunn had a hard time getting on the court. Tyus is 19 years old and Dunn is a grown man. I'd like to see Tyus two years from now which is the comparison you would have to make with what Dunn is now.
