longstrangetrip wrote:JasonIsDaMan wrote:TeamRicky wrote:I want a guy who has the following trifecta of skills: good perimeter defense, ability to shoot 3s and good passer. There are a handful of guys that fit the bill that are projected to go in the 10-25 range. That is why I hope we acquire a second first rounder in the top 25 either by trading back a little or trading Bazz.
If Bazz is worth a top 25 pick, why not keep him?
If Bazz is not worth a top 25 pick, then who is trading a top 25 pick for him?
I know you're bored, but you don't need to post EVERY random thought.
Jason, would you say the same thing about Adreain Payne and Chase Budinger? Flip Saunders, a fairly well regarded NBA mind, thought both of these guys were worth a first round pick...and we don't know if he was the only one who thought so. Would you have advised Phoenix and Atlanta not to trade Bud and Payne for first round picks? Anyway, the value of a player is determined both by his natural ability and his fit on a particular team, and different PBOs might value players differently. I like a lot about Bazz...his non-stop motor and relentless offensive rebounding, his explosive vertical, and his quick release. But he also has a lot of flaws, as we all know. Thibs is going to come in and view everyone with fresh eyes, not as someone trying to justify keeping someone because he dealt for or drafted him. If he sees someone he thinks might be available later in the first round that fits better than Bazz, and someone is willing to trade a suitable pick for Bazz, I would be in favor.
1. Really? Payne? Payne was having a horrible year/career and Bazz is not. As far as Bud, he had some injury issues and that is why his career fell off the table. If the Wolves know something in that area, then fine, trade him. But that is in NO WAY what the poster meant.
A little bit of revisionist history in regards to Flip and his "prowess". I'm sure when he called ATL they didn't say "Oh my gosh, it's Flip. If we answer it, he'll rip us off, and if we don't, we'll seem rude. What do we do?" I don't remember the whole NBA stopping time to hire Flip when he was on "Sportscenter".
2. Bazz isn't a baseball card. He's a human being. He has overcome his, lets say, uninspiring start to become a good player and a good person. And he has made no public statements about wanting to leave. To say you would offload him for any pick between #10 and #25 is kind of a slap in the face. There is a lot of talk about players not wanting to play for MIN. Well, I don't think offloading guys for basically no reason is going to help that.
3. This happens every year. From the Tues. after the NCAA championship until 5 minutes before the draft starts, from 2005 until present, there is a thread like this on BSPN or here that basically becomes "Let's trade our 15 players for the other 435 players and lets trade our 2 picks for the other 58 {sic}" Don't get me wrong. On one level, the math is solid. If the other teams don't have enough players to play a game, they'll have to forfeit, and the NBA will have no choice but to declare MIN the champs. And it's easy to say "just ignore it", but I am afraid that someone from the Wolves see this and says "Well let's give the fans what they want" and I would like to make it clear that no, no it is not want all the fans want.
Bazz is not the reason they won only 29 games. No, trading the #5 pick for Ibaka will not fix it. No, trading down with SAC and getting one of their crap players (not Casspi, Cousins, or Collinson) will not fix it. No, trading down with MIL and getting a PG who can't get off the bench won't fix it (If Flip is well regarded, then Kidd, a HOF PG who has taken two teams to the playoffs since the last time Filp was there, is definitely well-regard, and if he's not playing the guy, that tells me something).
4. I stand by the "bored" comment. The Wolves didn't make the playoffs. The Wild were there a week. The Twins....ugh. And the Vikings are about 8 weeks away from starting camp. I mean, to literally say that ALL 16 of those players are ALREADY better than Bazz, well, that's boredom or a deficiency of some sort.
