Official 2016 Draft Thread

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Guys, Lip and I fixed the Problem: Noah, PGasol, a PG at #5, and Payne for Kendall Marshall. Feel free to put on your parka and walk down to Holiday for a crawler and some adult literature.

Noah, no thanks. I don't see his personality being a fit with our nucleus, and If we're throwing money at a big they better be able to play consistently. Can't afford another KG/Pek on this roster. P Gasol, no thanks. Would cost too much at his age, wouldn't get us over the top. Prefer a better defender to pair with Towns than an offensive minded big. Pg at #5, I'd be fine with that. Payne for Marshall, that'd be nice, but I doubt Payne is anything more than a salary filler in a larger trade at this point.

How does Noah not fit?
How much more would Gasol cost than the $8m player option he is walking away from?
Have you look at Marshall's stats the last two years?

1) Noah comes off as a prick. I don't see the humble Towns/Wiggins meshing well with his personality type. He also is not the defensive standout he had been early in his career. Not exactly injury prone, but definitely falling off.

2) Well he is walking away from $8mil. So I see two options: He goes to a team for more money, or he takes 5-8mil on a true contender. I don't want to be the team that pays him extra to be here, and we surely aren't worthy of a contender discount.

3) No I haven't looked at his recent stats, but I have watched him. I know he has proven he belongs in the NBA more than I expect Payne ever will. Either way, trade payne for marshall, or don't. This one doesn't matter. Both 13th-15th guys on the bench.

I admit that when Noah first signed at UF, I was concerned, mainly because he comes from money and his father is one of the most popular people in his country (even if it is France), plus I thought there might be a chance that his dad would be undermining Donovan. But I haven't seen anything at UF or CHI that leads me to believe he is a problem or would be a problem. He didn't have a great 15/16, but go back and look at the PER splits from previous years. He's the real deal, and they'll be getting him at a discount.

How much extra is extra? Contracts are 3 years now. Don't be concerned about paying Gasol. Be concerned about paying some yahoo from Sacramento that hasn't accomplished anything. Gasol had a great 15/16.

Marshall has been horrible for two years. My plan for MIN is to trade for him, and then only show him episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" in an effort to convince him that it's the 13-14 season.

[TheFuture]

Guys, Lip and I fixed the Problem: Noah, PGasol, a PG at #5, and Payne for Kendall Marshall. Feel free to put on your parka and walk down to Holiday for a crawler and some adult literature.

Noah, no thanks. I don't see his personality being a fit with our nucleus, and If we're throwing money at a big they better be able to play consistently. Can't afford another KG/Pek on this roster. P Gasol, no thanks. Would cost too much at his age, wouldn't get us over the top. Prefer a better defender to pair with Towns than an offensive minded big. Pg at #5, I'd be fine with that. Payne for Marshall, that'd be nice, but I doubt Payne is anything more than a salary filler in a larger trade at this point.

How does Noah not fit?
How much more would Gasol cost than the $8m player option he is walking away from?
Have you look at Marshall's stats the last two years?

1) Noah comes off as a prick. I don't see the humble Towns/Wiggins meshing well with his personality type. He also is not the defensive standout he had been early in his career. Not exactly injury prone, but definitely falling off.

2) Well he is walking away from $8mil. So I see two options: He goes to a team for more money, or he takes 5-8mil on a true contender. I don't want to be the team that pays him extra to be here, and we surely aren't worthy of a contender discount.

3) No I haven't looked at his recent stats, but I have watched him. I know he has proven he belongs in the NBA more than I expect Payne ever will. Either way, trade payne for marshall, or don't. This one doesn't matter. Both 13th-15th guys on the bench.

I admit that when Noah first signed at UF, I was concerned, mainly because he comes from money and his father is one of the most popular people in his country (even if it is France), plus I thought there might be a chance that his dad would be undermining Donovan. But I haven't seen anything at UF or CHI that leads me to believe he is a problem or would be a problem.

How much extra is extra? Contracts are 3 years now. Don't be concerned about paying Gasol. Be concerned about paying some yahoo from Sacramento that hasn't accomplished anything.

Marshall has been horrible for two years. My plan for MIN is to trade for him, and then only show him episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" in an effort to convince him that it's the 13-14 season.

Noah - https://giant.gfycat.com/NegativeCloseLadybug.mp4






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Noah fans say his intensity is misconstrued as being a prick, and I have always appreciated the passion he displays for the game. That being said, he seems to have no filter and lets his emotions impact the game too often. I've also never heard about anything with him in the locker room or off the court.

I guess I could be called slightly hypocritical in that approach, as many fans may say the same about KG. I'd say KG's intensity is more controlled/focused. Though who knows, maybe with KG retiring we're going to need that replacement to bring some energy/nasty element. I can't say Noah wouldn't be the closest fit in the NBA while still possessing skills we could use. Money talks, and we could definitely do worse than Noah, but only if we get the Thibs discount! :thumb:

Gasol - He did have a great year. He's a great player. At 35 he's too old for this team. Maybe last year and this upcoming year would have been a good time to have him here, but I have no interest in signing him now for a one year deal, and he wouldn't either. I definitely wouldn't sign him for multiple. KG/Prince/Miller proved to provide some help/teaching, and Gasol is better than them, but i'd prefer to stay away from signing anyone over 32 to a multi year deal. If we sign a 30-32 year old for 3-4 years, that'd be fine, as we have a better guarantee that they'll be productive/able to play those years. Did I just talk myself into a Noah type?

Marshall - You do know other teams are aware that you cannot time-travel Payne's brain to any point in his history in hopes of finding a basketball player? They'll likely just gamble on that option with Marshall.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Guys, Lip and I fixed the Problem: Noah, PGasol, a PG at #5, and Payne for Kendall Marshall. Feel free to put on your parka and walk down to Holiday for a crawler and some adult literature.

Noah, no thanks. I don't see his personality being a fit with our nucleus, and If we're throwing money at a big they better be able to play consistently. Can't afford another KG/Pek on this roster. P Gasol, no thanks. Would cost too much at his age, wouldn't get us over the top. Prefer a better defender to pair with Towns than an offensive minded big. Pg at #5, I'd be fine with that. Payne for Marshall, that'd be nice, but I doubt Payne is anything more than a salary filler in a larger trade at this point.

How does Noah not fit?
How much more would Gasol cost than the $8m player option he is walking away from?
Have you look at Marshall's stats the last two years?

1) Noah comes off as a prick. I don't see the humble Towns/Wiggins meshing well with his personality type. He also is not the defensive standout he had been early in his career. Not exactly injury prone, but definitely falling off.

2) Well he is walking away from $8mil. So I see two options: He goes to a team for more money, or he takes 5-8mil on a true contender. I don't want to be the team that pays him extra to be here, and we surely aren't worthy of a contender discount.

3) No I haven't looked at his recent stats, but I have watched him. I know he has proven he belongs in the NBA more than I expect Payne ever will. Either way, trade payne for marshall, or don't. This one doesn't matter. Both 13th-15th guys on the bench.

I admit that when Noah first signed at UF, I was concerned, mainly because he comes from money and his father is one of the most popular people in his country (even if it is France), plus I thought there might be a chance that his dad would be undermining Donovan. But I haven't seen anything at UF or CHI that leads me to believe he is a problem or would be a problem.

How much extra is extra? Contracts are 3 years now. Don't be concerned about paying Gasol. Be concerned about paying some yahoo from Sacramento that hasn't accomplished anything.

Marshall has been horrible for two years. My plan for MIN is to trade for him, and then only show him episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" in an effort to convince him that it's the 13-14 season.

Noah - https://giant.gfycat.com/NegativeCloseLadybug.mp4






[youtube]-osb6ztv94k[/youtube]


Noah fans say his intensity is misconstrued as being a prick, and I have always appreciated the passion he displays for the game. That being said, he seems to have no filter and lets his emotions impact the game too often. I've also never heard about anything with him in the locker room or off the court.

I guess I could be called slightly hypocritical in that approach, as many fans may say the same about KG. I'd say KG's intensity is more controlled/focused. Though who knows, maybe with KG retiring we're going to need that replacement to bring some energy/nasty element. I can't say Noah wouldn't be the closest fit in the NBA while still possessing skills we could use. Money talks, and we could definitely do worse than Noah, but only if we get the Thibs discount! :thumb:

All I'll say is this: If the Wolves are going to play good basketball, they are going to have to get basketball players who play good basketball. That is not going to happen by getting someone off of Sacremento and then having the girls from "The Craft" cast a spell on him, or some guy who can't get off the bench for Bucks, or a college player who pours in 45 against Macalester. I really like the idea of Gasol, Noah, someone like Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn, and then let Marshall be the reclamation project.

[Lipoli390]

I love Noah's intensity and I do think he'd very KG-like in the way he wears his emotions on his sleeve. Most importantly, he's a really good, productive player who would bring much needed interior defense and rebounding to our team. I also like his passing ability, which fits in with the passing of our two young bigs, KAT and Gorgui. I've never head any current or former teammates complain about him or say they don't like playing with him. But maybe there's something out there I've missed. I think he'd be a great signing, provided we can get the Thibs discount. :)

[TheFuture]

Maybe i'm alone here, but the Vet talk reminds me of the recent Twins history. Have loads of young talent, but keep them in the minors too long while we overpay some vets who come here and fall on their face, but we're forced to play them because we overpaid them. Meanwhile, certain prospects are making strides, but we either haven't given them enough time in the league and turn around to trade them a year or two too early for other prospects/decent vets. Then if we do keep them, we can't afford to add any good talent around them or to pay to keep them because we're stuck with overpaid washed vets. The cycle continues. I'm all for letting the young potential play out. If they are cut out for it, they will make it. All sports are star driven, and as a smaller market you need multiple homegrown before you make it anywhere near a championship.

I could be tempering expectations about these Wolves because of the history of MN letdowns. Towns has proven to be a star already, I know that. Are Wiggins and LaVine really as close as we talk about them being to stardom? I am almost expecting to be letdown by at least 1 of them. If those of you feel we have enough good young talent to be consistent championship contenders beginning next season or the one after, then I could see the view of trading #5 for a good-great 26-29 year old. If you're conflicted on our outlook of current talent, like I am, then i'd be slightly confused as to why you'd want to do that trade. Explanation?

[TheFuture]

Do you see Murray being a real option with Thibs here though? He's going to want two-way players as well, focusing on defense #1 and 3pt shooting. Hield would be the better option compared to Murray for that type of player.

Dunn and Brown both have great defensive potential, they can both score midrange/at the rim well, and do not have broken shots. Brown/Wiggins games may replicate each other too much, but that defensive combo on the wings/small ball game would be great. Shabazz/Brown could also be a great offensive/defensive pairing off the bench. Dunn would fill a great need, as an insurance policy for Rubio. Something we really have not had since he's been here. Though with his own 2 shoulder surgeries there are some question marks with him.

The wildcard is Deyonta Davis to me. Reminds me of Tajh Gibson.

[Lipoli390]

Future -- You're not alone. I agree with you.

If it were up to me, I would not trade our #5 pick for a veteran, exclamation point, period!!.. We can acquire a good veteran or two through free agency to strengthen our bench and fill out the roster. But otherwise, let's go with what Thibs himself has referred to as the best young roster in the NBA. And let's add another talented young player with what should be our last letters pick in a long time. Note that we won't even have a 1st round pick in 2016 because of the Payne deal.

We don't need a potential star at #5. What we need and can get is a very good rotation player who will fill a need and blend well with the other young guys on this roster. Fortunately, the best players available at #5 will likely be mature players with 3 or 4 years of college experience so they should be able to help right away. Hield has the makings of a great 3-point shooter who can also create off the dribble and get some rebounds. He seems quick, smart and big enough to become a decent defender. Dunn has the makings of a really good disruptive defender and he has the potential to develop a dynamic offensive game. I'd be fine trading down for a vet or two picks if we ended up with Sabonis, Valentine or Poeltl. But let's hope this front office doesn't get caught up in a chase for vets at the expense of Flip's long-term vision.

[Monster]

Guys, Lip and I fixed the Problem: Noah, PGasol, a PG at #5, and Payne for Kendall Marshall. Feel free to put on your parka and walk down to Holiday for a crawler and some adult literature.

Noah, no thanks. I don't see his personality being a fit with our nucleus, and If we're throwing money at a big they better be able to play consistently. Can't afford another KG/Pek on this roster. P Gasol, no thanks. Would cost too much at his age, wouldn't get us over the top. Prefer a better defender to pair with Towns than an offensive minded big. Pg at #5, I'd be fine with that. Payne for Marshall, that'd be nice, but I doubt Payne is anything more than a salary filler in a larger trade at this point.

How does Noah not fit?
How much more would Gasol cost than the $8m player option he is walking away from?
Have you look at Marshall's stats the last two years?

1) Noah comes off as a prick. I don't see the humble Towns/Wiggins meshing well with his personality type. He also is not the defensive standout he had been early in his career. Not exactly injury prone, but definitely falling off.

2) Well he is walking away from $8mil. So I see two options: He goes to a team for more money, or he takes 5-8mil on a true contender. I don't want to be the team that pays him extra to be here, and we surely aren't worthy of a contender discount.

3) No I haven't looked at his recent stats, but I have watched him. I know he has proven he belongs in the NBA more than I expect Payne ever will. Either way, trade payne for marshall, or don't. This one doesn't matter. Both 13th-15th guys on the bench.

I admit that when Noah first signed at UF, I was concerned, mainly because he comes from money and his father is one of the most popular people in his country (even if it is France), plus I thought there might be a chance that his dad would be undermining Donovan. But I haven't seen anything at UF or CHI that leads me to believe he is a problem or would be a problem.

How much extra is extra? Contracts are 3 years now. Don't be concerned about paying Gasol. Be concerned about paying some yahoo from Sacramento that hasn't accomplished anything.

Marshall has been horrible for two years. My plan for MIN is to trade for him, and then only show him episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" in an effort to convince him that it's the 13-14 season.

Noah - https://giant.gfycat.com/NegativeCloseLadybug.mp4






[youtube]-osb6ztv94k[/youtube]


Noah fans say his intensity is misconstrued as being a prick, and I have always appreciated the passion he displays for the game. That being said, he seems to have no filter and lets his emotions impact the game too often. I've also never heard about anything with him in the locker room or off the court.

I guess I could be called slightly hypocritical in that approach, as many fans may say the same about KG. I'd say KG's intensity is more controlled/focused. Though who knows, maybe with KG retiring we're going to need that replacement to bring some energy/nasty element. I can't say Noah wouldn't be the closest fit in the NBA while still possessing skills we could use. Money talks, and we could definitely do worse than Noah, but only if we get the Thibs discount! :thumb:

All I'll say is this: If the Wolves are going to play good basketball, they are going to have to get basketball players who play good basketball. That is not going to happen by getting someone off of Sacremento and then having the girls from "The Craft" cast a spell on him, or some guy who can't get off the bench for Bucks, or a college player who pours in 45 against Macalester. I really like the idea of Gasol, Noah, someone like Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn, and then let Marshall be the reclamation project.

Some good truth to this last post plus some good humor.

[Monster]

Do you see Murray being a real option with Thibs here though? He's going to want two-way players as well, focusing on defense #1 and 3pt shooting. Hield would be the better option compared to Murray for that type of player.

Dunn and Brown both have great defensive potential, they can both score midrange/at the rim well, and do not have broken shots. Brown/Wiggins games may replicate each other too much, but that defensive combo on the wings/small ball game would be great. Shabazz/Brown could also be a great offensive/defensive pairing off the bench. Dunn would fill a great need, as an insurance policy for Rubio. Something we really have not had since he's been here. Though with his own 2 shoulder surgeries there are some question marks with him.

The wildcard is Deyonta Davis to me. Reminds me of Tajh Gibson.

Look back at guys on the Bulls roster when Thibs coached and you will find plenty of offensive minded far from 2-way players. Rose and a bunch of other PGs that filled in for him come to mind but it doesn't end there. Just sayin.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

I hated Noah when he first came into the league (thought he was immature), but I have come to love that guy. He plays every game like it's the last one he'll ever play, he gets the fans fired up, and he's a great teammate.

EDIT (additionally): Plus, he's smart enough to know Towns is the future of this team. If he came, he'd fit in perfectly and know his place. And he'd be a great fit with our current bigs.