Griz taking Ja

[thedoper]

Griz seem to have marked that Conley is up for grabs by saying their pick is Ja. The fact that we have big salaries might be an asset. Can we do Wiggins and our pick or other sweeteners for Conley? I know that Wiggins is hated but the Griz will need to take some bad money for Conley the way i look at it. Why not take ours?

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think Memphis can still get legit value for Conley. He averaged 21.1 ppg last season... a career high.

That could lead a solid team (see Utah) to take on the next 2 years of Conley's deal, even at $30M+.

He'd be 33 by the contract's end... which is younger than Chris Paul is now... and Paul has 3 years at $40M+ owed him...

[thedoper]

I think Memphis can still get legit value for Conley. He averaged 21.1 ppg last season... a career high.

That could lead a solid team to take on the next 2 years of Conley's deal, even at $30M+.

He'd be 33 by the contract's end... which is younger than Chris Paul is now... and Paul has 3 years at $40M+ owed him...

I think they'll get assets, Conley is a great player. He's been my favorite point guard for a while. But he gets injured every year and his number is really high as you mentioned I think they'll need take some bad money once the market settles. I don't know that our 11th pick is enough of an asset, but Wiggins would set them at a point for rebuild without interfering with their long term plans. I don't think we're that far away for being in the mix for a player like that, inspite of all of the heat Wiggins takes here. He's still a piece, especially for a team that is rebuilding and can take a chance on a player.

Toronto will still be in the mix too depending on what happens with Kawhi. If this playoff has showed anything it has been just how much Toronto is reliant on Kawhi.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think Memphis can still get legit value for Conley. He averaged 21.1 ppg last season... a career high.

That could lead a solid team to take on the next 2 years of Conley's deal, even at $30M+.

He'd be 33 by the contract's end... which is younger than Chris Paul is now... and Paul has 3 years at $40M+ owed him...

I think they'll get assets, Conley is a great player. He's been my favorite point guard for a while. But he gets injured every year and his number is really high as you mentioned I think they'll need take some bad money once the market settles. I don't know that our 11th pick is enough of an asset, but Wiggins would set them at a point for rebuild without interfering with their long term plans. I don't think we're that far away for being in the mix for a player like that, inspite of all of the heat Wiggins takes here. He's still a piece, especially for a team that is rebuilding and can take a chance on a player.

Toronto will still be in the mix too depending on what happens with Kawhi. If this playoff has showed anything it has been just how much Toronto is reliant on Kawhi.

But is Wiggins an asset? After 5 years, he still grades out as a negative player in many ways... but with a $30M price tag for multiple years.

Utah is looking at Conley as a missing piece to the WCF or beyond.

Wiggins doesn't even really offer up the "promise of hope" at this point like he used to. That doesn't mean he won't improve... but his value would be a heckuva lot higher once he shows he has vs. 5 years of assuming he will.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Abe, even that's an understatement. I still feel like collectively we're not being honest with ourselves here about how impossible it will be to move Wiggins. He's one of the worst starters in the league on a ridiculously overpriced contract with four years left. I honestly think we'd have to give up two first rounders without getting an asset back just to dump him.

[thedoper]

Abe, even that's an understatement. I still feel like collectively we're not being honest with ourselves here about how impossible it will be to move Wiggins. He's one of the worst starters in the league on a ridiculously overpriced contract with four years left. I honestly think we'd have to give up two first rounders without getting an asset back just to dump him.

There are way to many coaches and player development people in the league to have there zero interest in Wiggins at this point. It was reported that a deal could have been made at the deadline for Wiggins last year but the brain trust didn't want to get rid of Wiggins for nothing. I think Wiggins can be moved without a sweetener of two first rounders. That's a bit strong on the rhetoric of the disappointment in his progress so far.

[WildWolf2813]

Abe, even that's an understatement. I still feel like collectively we're not being honest with ourselves here about how impossible it will be to move Wiggins. He's one of the worst starters in the league on a ridiculously overpriced contract with four years left. I honestly think we'd have to give up two first rounders without getting an asset back just to dump him.

There are way to many coaches and player development people in the league to have there zero interest in Wiggins at this point. It was reported that a deal could have been made at the deadline for Wiggins last year but the brain trust didn't want to get rid of Wiggins for nothing. I think Wiggins can be moved without a sweetener of two first rounders. That's a bit strong on the rhetoric of the disappointment in his progress so far.

Whoever feels that way about Wiggins will be trying to buy low on him, not trade a Mike Conley-esque player for him.

[thedoper]

Abe, even that's an understatement. I still feel like collectively we're not being honest with ourselves here about how impossible it will be to move Wiggins. He's one of the worst starters in the league on a ridiculously overpriced contract with four years left. I honestly think we'd have to give up two first rounders without getting an asset back just to dump him.

There are way to many coaches and player development people in the league to have there zero interest in Wiggins at this point. It was reported that a deal could have been made at the deadline for Wiggins last year but the brain trust didn't want to get rid of Wiggins for nothing. I think Wiggins can be moved without a sweetener of two first rounders. That's a bit strong on the rhetoric of the disappointment in his progress so far.

Whoever feels that way about Wiggins will be trying to buy low on him, not trade a Mike Conley-esque player for him.

Again I mention our pick, we have other assets as well. I don't see a Conley trade that doesn't take back bad money but maybe Memphis will show me otherwise.

[Lipoli390]

Conley will be 32 years old when the season starts - nearly 10 years older than KAT. As a PG he has a lot of wear and tear on his body. He hasn't played 80 games or more in 7 seasons. In the last 5 seasons he's played 12, 56, 69, 70 and 70. He has two expensive years left on his contract, so swapping Wiggins for him won't open up room for free agent signings. In fact, he will take up about $5 million more salary space, which would make it even harder to sign a free agent without hitting the luxury tax. And when Conley's contract runs out in two years when he's 34 years old, then what? I'm a big Conley fan, but trading for him makes no sense. It would be the sort of dumb move we the Wolves have perfected over the years. It would be yet another misalignment.

It's pretty simple. The Wolves need to build around KAT with players similar in age and long on talent. The hard part, of course, is drafting, signing and/or trading for those players without having a top 3 pick, a lot of cap money or a lot of trade assets. But there are contenders who would be interested in a player like Covington. Saric has trade value too. And somewhere in this draft there is a future star or two outside the top 3 picks. It's up to Rosas to show his worth with a really smart move or two - drafting that future star with the 11th pick and/or trading for a young talent who some other team has lost patience with. Recent examples of such players include D'Angelo Russell and Buddy Hield. A familiar example from the distant past is Chauncey Billups. I'm not going to speculate on who that potential star might be. It's up to Rosas and his team of scouts, coaches and other execs in the Wolves organization to find those players.

I'm on record without hindsight saying at the time I would have drafted McCollum and after trading down I'm on record saying I would have taken Giannis. I'm on record wanting to draft Buddy Hield or Murray over Dunn. And I'm on record wanting to draft John Collins rather than Patton as part of the Butler deal. I would expect Rosas, who is supposedly an expert getting paid millions of dollars, to do better than a rube like me. Any number of us on this Board would have had the Wolves in a much better position than they're in if we had been the Wolves PBO over the past 3-7 years. I'm tired of this organization's mediocrity -- and mediocrity is a overly charitable term for describing this organization's player personnel decision-making. Trading Wiggins AND our first round pick would a cop-out -- another expression of mediocrity that could get us a couple good years if Conley stayed healthy and didn't decline the way Chris Paul has declined in his early 30sin the playoffs. But there'd be nothing sustainable beyond that time.

[thedoper]

Conley will be 32 years old when the season starts - nearly 10 years older than KAT. As a PG he has a lot of wear and tear on his body. He hasn't played 80 games or more in 7 seasons. In the last 5 seasons he's played 12, 56, 69, 70 and 70. He has two expensive years left on his contract, so swapping Wiggins for him won't open up room for free agent signings. In fact, he will take up about $5 million more salary space, which would make it even harder to sign a free agent without hitting the luxury tax. And when Conley's contract runs out in two years when he's 34 years old, then what? I'm a big Conley fan, but trading for him makes no sense. It would be the sort of dumb move we the Wolves have perfected over the years. It would be yet another misalignment.

It's pretty simple. The Wolves need to build around KAT with players similar in age and long on talent. The hard part, of course, is drafting, signing and/or trading for those players without having a top 3 pick, a lot of cap money or a lot of trade assets. But there are contenders who would be interested in a player like Covington. Saric has trade value too. And somewhere in this draft there is a future star or two outside the top 3 picks. It's up to Rosas to show his worth with a really smart move or two - drafting that future star with the 11th pick and/or trading for a young talent who some other team has lost patience with. Recent examples of such players include D'Angelo Russell and Buddy Hield. A familiar example from the distant past is Chauncey Billups. I'm not going to speculate on who that potential star might be. It's up to Rosas and his team of scouts, coaches and other execs in the Wolves organization to find those players.

I'm on record without hindsight saying at the time I would have drafted McCollum and after trading down I'm on record saying I would have taken Giannis. I'm on record wanting to draft Buddy Hield or Murray over Dunn. And I'm on record wanting to draft John Collins rather than Patton as part of the Butler deal. I would expect Rosas, who is supposedly an expert getting paid millions of dollars, to do better than a rube like me. Any number of us on this Board would have had the Wolves in a much better position than they're in if we had been the Wolves PBO over the past 3-7 years. I'm tired of this organization's mediocrity -- and mediocrity is a overly charitable term for describing this organization's player personnel decision-making. Trading Wiggins AND our first round pick would a cop-out -- another expression of mediocrity that could get us a couple good years if Conley stayed healthy and didn't decline the way Chris Paul has declined in his early 30sin the playoffs. But there'd be nothing sustainable beyond that time.

If you or Rosas can get KAT to make the playoffs without a Vet coming in good work. I think the key is selling KAT that we're serious to win immediately or he's gone just like every Wolves talent before him. I don't know if there's anyone here that wants it to work with Wiggins more than me. But staying the course means playoffs is an absolute must this year to sell Towns on the plan. If young talent means another year in the lottery, Towns wanes. He just deserves more. Trading Covington or Saric is just as ballsy as I see it, but those guys are such good compliments in my mind and I don't see pure basketball people wanting to get rid of players like that. Those are the types of guys you try and draft with your stars. If they can stay healthy they're good compliments to KAT. I honestly like your plan more. We'll see how it pans out but one more season of anything less than huge strides and KATs got one foot out the door.