And it's not like it hasn't been done before. Garnett was extremely loyal... even as one of the lasting aspects of his legacy was him NOT getting out earlier. In any event, KAT is locked in for the next few years... no use worrying too much about it yet.
[Note: Posted this originally in another thread for some reason... that reason is probably because I'm a dumby.]
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Significant?
KAT averages about 1.5 more ppg and 1 reb per game vs. the East... in about 3 more minutes per game.
Last season, KAT did slightly better vs. the West than the East.
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Yeah Embid only averages 4.5 more Free Throws than KAT vs western conference teams. 10% is significant, but I think it still highlights that Embid has a unique gravity that affects his offense that we're still not seeing from KAT yet. I think much of it is stylistic, Embid plays more in the post and teams collapse on him. KAT doesn't force the calls as much because he plays more on the perimeter. But the free points are huge, and I think the FTAs and assists will be the final piece to bring KAT from an all star to an all NBA player statistically.
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Yeah Embid only averages 4.5 more Free Throws than KAT vs western conference teams. 10% is significant, but I think it still highlights that Embid has a unique gravity that affects his offense that we're still not seeing from KAT yet. I think much of it is stylistic, Embid plays more in the post and teams collapse on him. KAT doesn't force the calls as much because he plays more on the perimeter. But the free points are huge, and I think the FTAs and assists will be the final piece to bring KAT from an all star to an all NBA player statistically.
I'm digging his passing the past few weeks. He's getting better.
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Yeah Embid only averages 4.5 more Free Throws than KAT vs western conference teams. 10% is significant, but I think it still highlights that Embid has a unique gravity that affects his offense that we're still not seeing from KAT yet. I think much of it is stylistic, Embid plays more in the post and teams collapse on him. KAT doesn't force the calls as much because he plays more on the perimeter. But the free points are huge, and I think the FTAs and assists will be the final piece to bring KAT from an all star to an all NBA player statistically.
I'm digging his passing the past few weeks. He's getting better.
Yeah I'm loving KATs game too. He's amazing and getting better. I can just see a pretty clear rationale for Embid as the stronger candidate for all-NBA today. The fact that KAT is one of four really exciting centers in the league right now only highlights what a good place the health of the league is in right now in terms of talent. It's like the 90s again in terms of talent with Early Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson. It's great since the centers were kind of lacking for a while.
I think what matters to me in the Towns vs Embiid debate of the West vs East thing is just the winning and losing record and strength of who you are playing (being in the east vs west) than their individual stats.
Meanwhile as good as Towns has been lately Embiid has gotten a bit of a roll himself putting up 29-13 in January. Also even with a terrible start for Towns and Embiid going to the line more they are basiclaly neck in neck this season in terms of efficiency looking at TS%. I'd guess based on what Towns has done in the past that he will win that stat by the end of the year unless Embiid starts hitting 3's at a higher percentage. Towns also shoots a better percentage on 2's. He is having his worst season so far on 2's and Embiid is shooting his best. Towns worst (likely to improve) is still better than Embiid. Towns is a very good shooter.
I think there are 4 elite center. Jokic/Kat/embiid/Davis. Having anyone of those 4 are great for your franchise.
Personally I would take Kat 3rd in that group ahead of Jokic.
I think Kat will end up not making All NBA this year. With those 3 being ahead. Hard to take Jokic off being the best player on the NBA best regular season team. Embiid is putting up MVP numbers on one of the best teams in basketball and coming off leading his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Davis is considered a top 5 player in the NBA so if they are semi competitive he will get it.
Kat slow start, butler dragging his name and his playoff performance has really hindered Kat making All-Nba with Jokic coming on strong
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Significant?
KAT averages about 1.5 more ppg and 1 reb per game vs. the East... in about 3 more minutes per game.
Last season, KAT did slightly better vs. the West than the East.
When I looked at Embiid's stats there is only a 1 pt more vs East but 1.8 Reb more vs the west. The bigger difference is in efficiency though. His off/def ratings are +12 vs a +3 east vs west and his TS% is about 7 pts higher as well.
KAT's dont' show as much a difference with off/def rating diff of +11 vs +6 and a TS% about 1.2 pts higher.
It is hard to compare mid season as well. I did notice that Philly hasn't played any games against Den, Hou, GS, or OKC (or the powerhouse that is Minny) yet this year.
thedoper wrote:Embid gets 5 more free points from free throws a game that KAT doesn't. KAT may play stylistically better more efficient offense, but the outcome and impact on the game is neglible. If KAT keeps playing like last night though, I think we will start seeing some MVP buzz for him too. Interesting that these two will be facing off soon. Hopefully KAT can get over the hump against Embid on Tuesday.
Seems like a big mistake to not take into account the difference in competition for the two teams. KAT plays in the WCF and so he has 22 additional games against this conference, which is a significant detriment to his stats.
Significant?
KAT averages about 1.5 more ppg and 1 reb per game vs. the East... in about 3 more minutes per game.
Last season, KAT did slightly better vs. the West than the East.
When I looked at Embiid's stats there is only a 1 pt more vs East but 1.8 Reb more vs the west. The bigger difference is in efficiency though. His off/def ratings are +12 vs a +3 east vs west and his TS% is about 7 pts higher as well.
KAT's dont' show as much a difference with off/def rating diff of +11 vs +6 and a TS% about 1.2 pts higher.
It is hard to compare mid season as well. I did notice that Philly hasn't played any games against Den, Hou, GS, or OKC (or the powerhouse that is Minny) yet this year.
The Philly vs. MN games should be a lot of fun this season... for obvious reasons.
