kekgeek1 wrote:He didn't make All NBA Gobert gets in over him. Meaning no massive extension. Saves wolves ~7 mil a year. But eliminates some leverage with KAT
Bradley Beal didn't make it either despite a solid season.
Winning matters with voters... a lot.
I'm sure the Wolves would have made the playoffs with Gobert instead of Towns though...
Obviously duh, Haha.
Saves wolves money what is great when we're up against the cap but does Kat want out of Minnesota if we can't maximize his earning potential
Personally, I think all the NBA talk about keeping players set in one location is merely lip service. It's BETTER for business to have these guys move around (and us speculate where they'd go) than it is to keep them in one place. There are many ways to keep players in one place longer... each new way to do so doesn't seem to work. I'm sure it's only a coincidence though.
[Note: By the way, Towns wasn't remotely close to getting it. 20 total votes (all 3rd team). Gobert had 69 3rd team votes... 5 2nd team and a 1st team. Ouch.]
I'll say this that IF.....................this organization is actually competent with The Rosas hire the extra money could actually be well spent towards building a team that's Towms wants to play on. They can't poss around for a couple years before figuring it out like the Pelicans did before making some solid moves. Maybe we already went through that and we will actually make worthwhile moves going forward.
Was Towns deserving of all-nba? Yes. Was Gobert deserving? Yes. Dane Moore had a theory he said a few days ago that because Zach Lowe has been outspoken that he was voting for Gobert that it would actually influence other voters. He thought that would be enough to get Gobert all-nba Honestly it would not shock me if Lowe's vote would have at least some influence.
monsterpile wrote:I'll say this that IF.....................this organization is actually competent with The Rosas hire the extra money could actually be well spent towards building a team that's Towms wants to play on. They can't poss around for a couple years before figuring it out like the Pelicans did before making some solid moves. Maybe we already went through that and we will actually make worthwhile moves going forward.
Was Towns deserving of all-nba? Yes. Was Gobert deserving? Yes. Dane Moore had a theory he said a few days ago that because Zach Lowe has been outspoken that he was voting for Gobert that it would actually influence other voters. He thought that would be enough to get Gobert all-nba Honestly it would not shock me if Lowe's vote would have at least some influence.
I think KAT deserved all-NBA honors - more so than Gobert. But I don't see this slight motivating KAT to leave. As you pointed out, Monster, whether Rosas builds a competent team around KAT will determine whether KAT eventually pushes for a trade before the end of his 5-year contract. As I've said before, I think this organization has at least 2 seasons possibly 3 to get on track before KAT might begin pushing for a trade. So Rosas needs to get started right away. But he also has to be reasonably patient and not try to do it all this summer. The extra cap room created by KAT not getting all-NBA status can help.
Towns was arguably the second-best center this season so he definitely deserved to get this All-NBA spot, however, it should serve as more motivation to him. Winning matters. It will always matter. It's a legacy maker or a legacy breaker. Hopefully it lights an even bigger fire within him -- that he aims towards defense -- and the extra money can go towards a perimeter player that can give us some help beyond the three-point line.
Camden wrote:Towns was arguably the second-best center this season so he definitely deserved to get this All-NBA spot, however, it should serve as more motivation to him. Winning matters. It will always matter. It's a legacy maker or a legacy breaker. Hopefully it lights an even bigger fire within him -- that he aims towards defense -- and the extra money can go towards a perimeter player that can give us some help beyond the three-point line.
Basically, we learned that...
Donovan Mitchell, Ricky Rubio, Derrick Favors, Jae Crowder and Co. were more deserving of All NBA than Tyus Jones, Josh Okogie, Taj Gibson, Andrew Wiggins and Co.
The homer in me says that Towns is the better player. However it's hard to argue against Gobert and his elite defense. It also allows the other 4 on the court to play tight defense on the perimeter because he can help clean up mistakes so well. He makes the whole defense work.
KAT is elite offensively and Gobert of course defensively. The question is, is Goberts offense better than KAT's defense? IDK.
Gobert affected winning more than Towns. I have no problem rewarding Gobert for a better season. Towns will make all NBA teams in the future. If he's really as much about winning as he lets on he should have no problem with Gobert finishing ahead of him.
thedoper wrote:Gobert affected winning more than Towns. I have no problem rewarding Gobert for a better season. Towns will make all NBA teams in the future. If he's really as much about winning as he lets on he should have no problem with Gobert finishing ahead of him.
There's no reliable way to compare the impact of these two players on winning. Utah was a much better team -- better talent all around, better chemistry and better coaching. There isn't a team in the League that would take Gobert over KAT if given a choice between the two for the same price.
thedoper wrote:Gobert affected winning more than Towns. I have no problem rewarding Gobert for a better season. Towns will make all NBA teams in the future. If he's really as much about winning as he lets on he should have no problem with Gobert finishing ahead of him.
There's no reliable way to compare the impact of these two players on winning. Utah was a much better team -- better talent all around, better chemistry and better coaching. There isn't a team in the League that would take Gobert over KAT if given a choice between the two for the same price.
Utah's record without Gobert has always been abysmal. Kat powers us to the lottery, Gobert has put them firmly in the playoffs for a few years now with a variety of sidekicks. KAT has great offensive stats but if he was all NBA we should be in the playoffs by his talent. I can try and justify other angles but it would just be my homerism talking. Gobert makes coaches and team chemistry look great because he is a great player. Either way KAT v Gobert can have arguments from an individual player perspective. I'm fine with wins being the differentiator between the two. I think it should be. Until KAT becomes a winner I don't want him getting individual accolades. Earn accolades with winning, not eFG%
