How to fix the NBA

[bleedspeed]

1. Lower rim to 8 feet
2. Age limit of nobody younger than 30.
3. Height restriction of nobody over 6ft.
4. Use women's ball.
5. Half of the roster must be made of fans and play 12 minutes a game.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Max contract limit is a problem too. It allows superstars to join together like in Boston, Miami, GSW to make other teams generally non competitive. The way it works now sucks for 95% of the league.

The need to get rid of the max contract limit or set a hard cap. Stop these guys from making super teams. Sure they could do it, but it would be much harder. What makes NHL and NFL better in a way is that any team can make a push any year. Quit protecting the low level NBA players salaries and quit sharing the lux cap money protecting the cheap ass smaller market teams.

It's like all the rules they made created the problems.

Boston?

KG/Allen/Pierce

I don't see many similarities with what Boston did (trades) and what Miami did (players choosing to team up).

I believe KG had a no trade clause so he could veto, but I'm not sure. Anyways, they did team up, no matter if it was FA or trade. Miami was more egregious no doubt.

In other news... the 80s Celtics and Lakers and 76ers and even the 80s/90s Jazz were also exactly like the James/Wade/Bosh Miami Heat.

[Wolvesfan21]

The Max contract limit is a problem too. It allows superstars to join together like in Boston, Miami, GSW to make other teams generally non competitive. The way it works now sucks for 95% of the league.

The need to get rid of the max contract limit or set a hard cap. Stop these guys from making super teams. Sure they could do it, but it would be much harder. What makes NHL and NFL better in a way is that any team can make a push any year. Quit protecting the low level NBA players salaries and quit sharing the lux cap money protecting the cheap ass smaller market teams.

It's like all the rules they made created the problems.

Boston?

KG/Allen/Pierce

I don't see many similarities with what Boston did (trades) and what Miami did (players choosing to team up).

I believe KG had a no trade clause so he could veto, but I'm not sure. Anyways, they did team up, no matter if it was FA or trade. Miami was more egregious no doubt.

In other news... the 80s Celtics and Lakers and 76ers and even the 80s/90s Jazz were also exactly like the James/Wade/Bosh Miami Heat.

Do you really think that KG and Allen had no say in where they were going?

"KG did not want to come to Boston with just him and Paul," says Ainge. "He didn't think that was enough. So KG was reluctant at that minute to commit his future. He just had one year left on his contract, he did not want to come to Boston and make a long-term commitment based on that, and we weren't gonna pay the price that it took to get KG without a long-term commitment from him."

So without the addition of Allen KG would have either been traded somewhere else or stayed in Minnesota for at least one more year.

[Monster]

The Max contract limit is a problem too. It allows superstars to join together like in Boston, Miami, GSW to make other teams generally non competitive. The way it works now sucks for 95% of the league.

The need to get rid of the max contract limit or set a hard cap. Stop these guys from making super teams. Sure they could do it, but it would be much harder. What makes NHL and NFL better in a way is that any team can make a push any year. Quit protecting the low level NBA players salaries and quit sharing the lux cap money protecting the cheap ass smaller market teams.

It's like all the rules they made created the problems.

Boston?

KG/Allen/Pierce

I don't see many similarities with what Boston did (trades) and what Miami did (players choosing to team up).

I believe KG had a no trade clause so he could veto, but I'm not sure. Anyways, they did team up, no matter if it was FA or trade. Miami was more egregious no doubt.

In other news... the 80s Celtics and Lakers and 76ers and even the 80s/90s Jazz were also exactly like the James/Wade/Bosh Miami Heat.

Do you really think that KG and Allen had no say in where they were going?

"KG did not want to come to Boston with just him and Paul," says Ainge. "He didn't think that was enough. So KG was reluctant at that minute to commit his future. He just had one year left on his contract, he did not want to come to Boston and make a long-term commitment based on that, and we weren't gonna pay the price that it took to get KG without a long-term commitment from him."

So without the addition of Allen KG would have either been traded somewhere else or stayed in Minnesota for at least one more year.

KG had to convinced by other players Boston and his own franchise to leave. The guy never wanted to leave MN. Meanwhile Danny Ainge the guy that basically traded a pick that ended up being Brandon Roy for Sebastian Telfair had enough assets to trade for both KG AND Ray Allen and STILL had enough young players to put together a contender. Seems impressive and nothing like the banana boat stuff people are upset about now.

[thedoper]

I think the solution is fairly simple. Work on the premise that you can sign your draft guys for as much as you want tax free, and hard cap all other acquisitions via free agency or trade. There could be different mathematical formulas for achieving this, but this would ultimately be the way to give the original team the leg up that they deserve. That being said, I don't think you could get the players or the bigger market owners on board with this. Parity isn't nearly as important as franchise value and revenue to all of the parties involved.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Max contract limit is a problem too. It allows superstars to join together like in Boston, Miami, GSW to make other teams generally non competitive. The way it works now sucks for 95% of the league.

The need to get rid of the max contract limit or set a hard cap. Stop these guys from making super teams. Sure they could do it, but it would be much harder. What makes NHL and NFL better in a way is that any team can make a push any year. Quit protecting the low level NBA players salaries and quit sharing the lux cap money protecting the cheap ass smaller market teams.

It's like all the rules they made created the problems.

Boston?

KG/Allen/Pierce

I don't see many similarities with what Boston did (trades) and what Miami did (players choosing to team up).

I believe KG had a no trade clause so he could veto, but I'm not sure. Anyways, they did team up, no matter if it was FA or trade. Miami was more egregious no doubt.

In other news... the 80s Celtics and Lakers and 76ers and even the 80s/90s Jazz were also exactly like the James/Wade/Bosh Miami Heat.

Do you really think that KG and Allen had no say in where they were going?

"KG did not want to come to Boston with just him and Paul," says Ainge. "He didn't think that was enough. So KG was reluctant at that minute to commit his future. He just had one year left on his contract, he did not want to come to Boston and make a long-term commitment based on that, and we weren't gonna pay the price that it took to get KG without a long-term commitment from him."

So without the addition of Allen KG would have either been traded somewhere else or stayed in Minnesota for at least one more year.

In neither case did the players initiate the trade. Sam Presti is on record that Boston was the aggressor in chasing down Allen and they paid the price at the time.

Same with Boston and Garnett. Heck, by all reports, Garnett didn't want to be traded. Boston sent 5 players and two 1st rounders to MN for Garnett.

Meanwhile... James was an unrestricted FA who went to Miami. And Bosh forced a sign-and-trade to go to Miami.

The differences are astounding. Boston was actually risking a lot of its built-up assets to chase down players in trades. The team was dictating everything. In MIami... it was all the players.

[Wolvesfan21]

The Max contract limit is a problem too. It allows superstars to join together like in Boston, Miami, GSW to make other teams generally non competitive. The way it works now sucks for 95% of the league.

The need to get rid of the max contract limit or set a hard cap. Stop these guys from making super teams. Sure they could do it, but it would be much harder. What makes NHL and NFL better in a way is that any team can make a push any year. Quit protecting the low level NBA players salaries and quit sharing the lux cap money protecting the cheap ass smaller market teams.

It's like all the rules they made created the problems.

Boston?

KG/Allen/Pierce

I don't see many similarities with what Boston did (trades) and what Miami did (players choosing to team up).

I believe KG had a no trade clause so he could veto, but I'm not sure. Anyways, they did team up, no matter if it was FA or trade. Miami was more egregious no doubt.

In other news... the 80s Celtics and Lakers and 76ers and even the 80s/90s Jazz were also exactly like the James/Wade/Bosh Miami Heat.

Do you really think that KG and Allen had no say in where they were going?

"KG did not want to come to Boston with just him and Paul," says Ainge. "He didn't think that was enough. So KG was reluctant at that minute to commit his future. He just had one year left on his contract, he did not want to come to Boston and make a long-term commitment based on that, and we weren't gonna pay the price that it took to get KG without a long-term commitment from him."

So without the addition of Allen KG would have either been traded somewhere else or stayed in Minnesota for at least one more year.

In neither case did the players initiate the trade. Sam Presti is on record that Boston was the aggressor in chasing down Allen and they paid the price at the time.

Same with Boston and Garnett. Heck, by all reports, Garnett didn't want to be traded. Boston sent 5 players and two 1st rounders to MN for Garnett.

Meanwhile... James was an unrestricted FA who went to Miami. And Bosh forced a sign-and-trade to go to Miami.

The differences are astounding. Boston was actually risking a lot of its built-up assets to chase down players in trades. The team was dictating everything. In MIami... it was all the players.

KG wasn't going there until they got Allen. I'm not dissing on KG at all, just making the point that it was on him. Not just Boston pulling the strings.

You could even talk about Cleveland too where Love forced his way out of here to team up with LeBron and Irving. That was a trade too but it was up to the player.

Drafting a team Like those you mentioned before is completely different, the player really has little to no say. The trades the player still had a lot of power in.

[AbeVigodaLive]

So now you're comparing the Kevin Love trade to the Kevin Garnett trade?

We're done here.



[Note: Be honest... you weren't following the Wolves closely back in 2007 were you?]

[Monster]

I think the solution is fairly simple. Work on the premise that you can sign your draft guys for as much as you want tax free, and hard cap all other acquisitions via free agency or trade. There could be different mathematical formulas for achieving this, but this would ultimately be the way to give the original team the leg up that they deserve. That being said, I don't think you could get the players or the bigger market owners on board with this. Parity isn't nearly as important as franchise value and revenue to all of the parties involved.

I'm not knocking your plan this quote stuck out to me. "but this would ultimately be the way to give the original team the leg up that they deserve." Do some of the teams looking to keep their players "deserve" to keep them? If your team drafted a guy then sucks at building a team do the deserve to keep them? OKC traded away a future MVP because they in their opinion weren't going to be able to afford him. They did still deserve to keep Durant tho. Still how many other teams that had good players leave deserve to keep their guys? Money didn't seem to be what made Leonard leave...or want to stay.

There are a bunch of interesting ideas in this thread and yours I actually like the basic premise of. The thing is I think it's quite complicated and quite frankly I am not sure where the league is headed and what exactly needs to be fixed in terms of player movement. It goes both ways the Clippers and Raptors traded away guys that wanted to be there for life and signed lucrative deals.

The thing that gets old although somewhat entertaining on and of itself is basically being forced to consider a player's salary nearly every minute of their NBA existence. Gorgui Dieng is a good human being and actually a decent basketball player. If he was making even 7 million a year he would not be disliked as much...and likely would have been dealt in some deal at some point. Instead he is making way too much money and even though he actually does something very worthwhile with it he is not a guy people like having on the team. It's a shame and it's been that way for 10-15 years. It takes away from the enjoyment of the game as a fan IMO. I don't think that aspect or the player movement is gonna change soon.

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