Simmons trade scenarios-poll

[FNG]

Sorry about adding another Simmons thread, but Simmons to the Wolves is one if the hotter NBA player movement topics currently, and I'm curious where the board stands on three different scenarios:

1) Trade DLO and Beasley for Simmons (and irrelevant pieces to make the numbers work).

2) Trade DLO and McDaniels for Simmons.

3) No trade...stay with the players we ended the season with.

This thread will ignore the likelihood of either of the 2 Simmons trades, and also will not include any other potential deals. Let's keep this thread clean, and weigh in on which of the three cores in the poll you would rather go forward with. Gentlemen...start your engines.

[Monster]

I'm on the fence about making the deal but I voted for Russell and Beasley for Simmons because I would assume we are getting back George Hill in the deal. That would also give the wolves nearly another 2 million of wiggle room below the Lux tax so that means they could sign a vet min big. Also George Hill was actually reasonably effective this season and could be a solid addition to the group and could even be a decent trade asset as a vet guy that could play with an expiring salary.

If it was really just running back what we had last season (let's say the Wolves resign Vanderbilt) or doing the above deal then I would be more inclined to make the deal. I'll be shocked if the Wolves don't add someone via small trade or FA though.

[FNG]

I'm on the fence about making the deal but I voted for Russell and Beasley for Simmons because I would assume we are getting back George Hill in the deal. That would also give the wolves nearly another 2 million of wiggle room below the Lux tax so that means they could sign a vet min big. Also George Hill was actually reasonably effective this season and could be a solid addition to the group and could even be a decent trade asset as a vet guy that could play with an expiring salary.

If it was really just running back what we had last season (let's say the Wolves resign Vanderbilt) or doing the above deal then I would be more inclined to make the deal. I'll be shocked if the Wolves don't add someone via small trade or FA though.

I think your George Hill addition to the equation is fair...I've been thinking he might be the most likely add-on to a deal.

With respect to your last paragraph, I'm going to assume that small trade or FA acquisition is available to us in any one of the three scenarios, so I think it is probably irrelevant to this discussion.

I also voted for option 1, albeit probably with less hesitation than you :) . Let's see what the others say.

[Lipoli390]

I chose option 3. I'm not interested in acquiring Simmons unless it's just DLO for Simmons, although I'd be ok adding a future Wolves lottery-protected 1st and 2nd round pick in the deal. I'll admit that's probably not realistic, but so be it. Rosas should focus on a package for Myles Turner or R. Holmes that doesn't include Beasley, Ant, KAT, McDaniels or a future Wolves lottery pick. If he can't get a deal for Myles within those parameters, then he should simply deal Culver (w/ a future 2nd round pick if necessary) to a team with cap space and use the roughly $8M under the luxury tax to sign the best defensive big available at that price.

[Wolvesfan21]

Give me the number one option. We'd have two elite or close to offensive and defensive players. You can win games with those 4, fill in whoever. I feel like having two defensive stoppers also helps elevate the others as well. I could see a lineup being top half in both defense and offense with that quattro.

Not to mention they all are young as well and have tremendous upside. I could see this team winning a Championship built around those 4 in maybe a 2-3 seasons.

[thedoper]

DLo and Simmons played High School ball together. The fact that Simmons might even want to come here (which would be a bit of a miracle in my mind) would likely have to do with DLo being on the roster. There are going to be some weird deals this summer and it will be likely totally unique how they unfold. We don't have the assets to get Simmons on a direct deal to the Sixers, it would have to be a multi-team deal. To do that, we should put ourselves in the mix with our 30 mil of dead salary (Rubio, Juancho, Culver) and picks.

[Lipoli390]

DLo and Simmons played High School ball together. The fact that Simmons might even want to come here (which would be a bit of a miracle in my mind) would likely have to do with DLo being on the roster. There are going to be some weird deals this summer and it will be likely totally unique how they unfold. We don't have the assets to get Simmons on a direct deal to the Sixers, it would have to be a multi-team deal. To do that, we should put ourselves in the mix with our 30 mil of dead salary (Rubio, Juancho, Culver) and picks.

Some good points, Doper. As I said, I'd deal DLO and a couple of future picks for Simmons if that were realistic. Otherwise, I agree that any deal the Wolves pursue for Simmons (or anyone else) should be build around the players you listed and future picks. I'd also include Okogie in the mix among the assets I'd potentially include in a package for a high-caliber starter at the PF or center position. I have no idea what we could get for those assets, but that's what I think Rosas should focus on. And at a minimum, Rosas should be able to off-load Culver's salary for no more than a future 2nd round pick and the roughly $8.5M available under the luxury-tax threshold should be enough to acquire a quality free agent.

[FNG]

DLO and Simmons played together one year in HS, but Simmons also played against KAT in high school and AAU ball, and is reportedly good friends with him (Simmons and KAT did have a dust up when Ben got in the middle of a fight between Embiid and KAT, but those things happen in the heat of the moment and all reports are that they are very good friends off the court). There's no evidence that his friendship with DLO is any stronger than his friendship with KAT. When we contemplate whether Simmons would want to come to Minneapolis (in a DLO trade), I think the answer is likely yes for two reasons. One, he has to be eager to get out of Philly...it's a tough unforgiving town, and I suspect he knows he will always be a whipping boy there because of the layup he passed up at a critical moment...just read the Philly message boards! Minneapolis is the opposite of Philly to a fault...we are sometimes too forgiving when it comes to the futility of our local teams...and would be the perfect opportunity for him to prove why he was the #1 pick in the draft. Secondly, his friendship with KAT would be a strong incentive for him to come here. I would think Simmons would be drooling at the chance of playing next to two productive scorers like KAT and Ant.

[FNG]

Seven of the 10 voters approve of trading DLO and Beasley for Simmons (and likely filler such as George Hill), and 3 of the 10 prefer not trading our assets for Simmons. Not surprisingly, nobody has chosen the option which I think is most likely if there is a 2-way trade...DLO and McDaniels for Simmons. I too would not be happy with giving up McDaniels, but I'm swayed by Abe's post last week that we are quite likely overvaluing Jaden because he looked promising despite very mediocre stats. While I would prefer to unload DLO and Workhouse Beasley, I would not hesitate to pick up a 24-year-old who is arguably the best defender in the NBA and also averages 16/8/8 for his career...even if it meant moving on from McDaniels. I see our current roster with DLO and KAT as our max guys as having a ceiling of 45 wins, but I could get truly excited moving forward with a young trio of KAT/Simmons/Ant!

[Lipoli390]

Seven of the 10 voters approve of trading DLO and Beasley for Simmons (and likely filler such as George Hill), and 3 of the 10 prefer not trading our assets for Simmons. Not surprisingly, nobody has chosen the option which I think is most likely if there is a 2-way trade...DLO and McDaniels for Simmons. I too would not be happy with giving up McDaniels, but I'm swayed by Abe's post last week that we are quite likely overvaluing Jaden because he looked promising despite very mediocre stats. While I would prefer to unload DLO and Workhouse Beasley, I would not hesitate to pick up a 24-year-old who is arguably the best defender in the NBA and also averages 16/8/8 for his career...even if it meant moving on from McDaniels. I see our current roster with DLO and KAT as our max guys as having a ceiling of 45 wins, but I could get truly excited moving forward with a young trio of KAT/Simmons/Ant!

Yes, if it's just DLO and KAT, then a 45-win ceiling is probably about right. But that ceiling is significantly higher when you add Ant, McDaniels and Beasley to the KAT-DLO duo. We all know how quickly the Suns turned things around. I see this Wolves team ascending quickly over the next 2 years with McDaniels and Ant developing alongside KAT, DLO and Beasley.

There's no doubt in my mind that, if the Wolves end up trading for Simmons, McDaniels and at least two future minimally or unprotected first-round picks will be included in the deal. I think a third team like the Wizards will be involved and getting McDaniels along with those picks will the key to the 3rd team's participation in the deal. Giving up all those assets along with Beasley strikes me as too steep a price to pay for what Simmons brings with his max contract. If KAT, DLO, Ant, Beasley and McDaniels aren't a good enough foundation for making the playoffs, then Rosas should simply start over by trading KAT, DLO and Beasley and starting the rebound around Ant, McDaniels and a bunch of picks. If, by chance, Philly takes DLO, Culver and a lottery-protected first for Simmons, then count me in. Otherwise, I remain hopeful that Rosas turns his attention away from obsessing over Simmons and instead focuses on adding the interior defensive presence this team needs to shore up its chances of making the playoffs.