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Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:Doesthe comparison to Wade( ceiling potential) ring true more today than it did on draft night? Does he ultimately have to become a good 3pt shooter to become elite in this league?
Dwayne's 3pt% career was .293
Anthony's in his rookie year? .320
Wades best year was his last .330 no doubt shot the ball a whole lot less too.

I would say Edwards looks favorably when Compared to Wades rookie numbers.


Hard to compare these two for now. Wade spent three years in college working on his game - the first of which he was academically ineligible - so by the time he was a rookie he was three years older than Edwards along with a lot more reps at the D-1 level. By the time Wade was a rookie, he was miles better than Edwards as an all around player.

Seems you might be making an argument for Edwards at the same time. Edwards is raw without the experience and still putting up numbers favorable.
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PorkChop wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:Doesthe comparison to Wade( ceiling potential) ring true more today than it did on draft night? Does he ultimately have to become a good 3pt shooter to become elite in this league?
Dwayne's 3pt% career was .293
Anthony's in his rookie year? .320
Wades best year was his last .330 no doubt shot the ball a whole lot less too.

I would say Edwards looks favorably when Compared to Wades rookie numbers.


Hard to compare these two for now. Wade spent three years in college working on his game - the first of which he was academically ineligible - so by the time he was a rookie he was three years older than Edwards along with a lot more reps at the D-1 level. By the time Wade was a rookie, he was miles better than Edwards as an all around player.

Seems you might be making an argument for Edwards at the same time. Edwards is raw without the experience and still putting up numbers favorable.


May be. Part of the reason he's putting up numbers is because he takes an ungodly amount of shots without regard to how accurate he is. That was one of the problem spots highlighted in the video Kek posted. It's one thing to have confidence. It's another thing to jack up gobs of shots only Steph Curry has a good chance of making.

I thought the guy doing the voiceover for the video said it best. There is enough evidence to suggest that Edwards could be a legit superstar. His combination of strength, power, and maneuverability is off the charts. There is also enough evidence to suggest that he could be a sink-hole of inefficient shot taking and poor defense. We don't know yet where he'll end up.
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Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:Doesthe comparison to Wade( ceiling potential) ring true more today than it did on draft night? Does he ultimately have to become a good 3pt shooter to become elite in this league?
Dwayne's 3pt% career was .293
Anthony's in his rookie year? .320
Wades best year was his last .330 no doubt shot the ball a whole lot less too.

I would say Edwards looks favorably when Compared to Wades rookie numbers.


Hard to compare these two for now. Wade spent three years in college working on his game - the first of which he was academically ineligible - so by the time he was a rookie he was three years older than Edwards along with a lot more reps at the D-1 level. By the time Wade was a rookie, he was miles better than Edwards as an all around player.

Seems you might be making an argument for Edwards at the same time. Edwards is raw without the experience and still putting up numbers favorable.


May be. Part of the reason he's putting up numbers is because he takes an ungodly amount of shots without regard to how accurate he is. That was one of the problem spots highlighted in the video Kek posted. It's one thing to have confidence. It's another thing to jack up gobs of shots only Steph Curry has a good chance of making.

I thought the guy doing the voiceover for the video said it best. There is enough evidence to suggest that Edwards could be a legit superstar. His combination of strength, power, and maneuverability is off the charts. There is also enough evidence to suggest that he could be a sink-hole of inefficient shot taking and poor defense. We don't know yet where he'll end up.


I mean yes, he's taking 3 more shots a game than Wade did. But averaging 2 more points too. Is 16 shots a game that over the top?
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PorkChop wrote:Doesthe comparison to Wade( ceiling potential) ring true more today than it did on draft night? Does he ultimately have to become a good 3pt shooter to become elite in this league?
Dwayne's 3pt% career was .293
Anthony's in his rookie year? .320
Wades best year was his last .330 no doubt shot the ball a whole lot less too.

I would say Edwards looks favorably when Compared to Wades rookie numbers.


I don't even have to look this up but I bet Wade also took much less 3P shots then Ant and I would think he finished at the rim much better as well along with mid range.

Wade on defense I imagine was far superior as well as a Rook. But like Q said, he had several years in college. Ant is only 19.

Edwards has potential but he has a long ways to go defensively and still finishing at the rim. I like his progress on offense as he is drawing fouls at a higher rate now. Defense is a big concern though.
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PorkChop wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:Doesthe comparison to Wade( ceiling potential) ring true more today than it did on draft night? Does he ultimately have to become a good 3pt shooter to become elite in this league?
Dwayne's 3pt% career was .293
Anthony's in his rookie year? .320
Wades best year was his last .330 no doubt shot the ball a whole lot less too.

I would say Edwards looks favorably when Compared to Wades rookie numbers.


Hard to compare these two for now. Wade spent three years in college working on his game - the first of which he was academically ineligible - so by the time he was a rookie he was three years older than Edwards along with a lot more reps at the D-1 level. By the time Wade was a rookie, he was miles better than Edwards as an all around player.

Seems you might be making an argument for Edwards at the same time. Edwards is raw without the experience and still putting up numbers favorable.


May be. Part of the reason he's putting up numbers is because he takes an ungodly amount of shots without regard to how accurate he is. That was one of the problem spots highlighted in the video Kek posted. It's one thing to have confidence. It's another thing to jack up gobs of shots only Steph Curry has a good chance of making.

I thought the guy doing the voiceover for the video said it best. There is enough evidence to suggest that Edwards could be a legit superstar. His combination of strength, power, and maneuverability is off the charts. There is also enough evidence to suggest that he could be a sink-hole of inefficient shot taking and poor defense. We don't know yet where he'll end up.


I mean yes, he's taking 3 more shots a game than Wade did. But averaging 2 more points too. Is 16 shots a game that over the top?


When it comes to efficiency it's worth mentioning that Edwards is taking shots from the general efficient zones. The spot he takes a decent amount of shots he is actually struggling the most is the 3-10 foot range. 32% from 3 isn't terrible. I will also say Edwards is playing in a very different era in terms of shooting 3's and taking these type of shots than when Wade was a rookie.

I looked up Wade's shooting percentages at the rim via BB reference and honesty I was surprised. He shot around 58% his first 2 years before having a massive jump to over 65% his 3rd year. So Edwards is actually performing well in that regard. The basic stats that Edwards is behind Wade's rookie season is assists and FT rate.
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I'm trying to think of another somewhat similar player that is much more recently successful to compare rookie seasons too. How about Donovan Mitchell? Mitchell was more efficient and a better defender but was older with 2 years of college experience and he played for Rick Pitino. Both guys played with Rubio as Rookies. :) Mitchell was drafted by a team that had been successful although they had just lost Gordon Hayward and George Hill (replaced by Rubio). Edwards was drafted by a franchise really struggling. Utah had a system, reasonably accomplished GM in Lindsey and a well established coach in Quinn Snyder I think going into his 5th season. Edwards is already on his 2nd head coach. I don't know exactly how valuable Mitchell is but I think most of us would be pretty happy with that type of outcome for Edwards IF he could become that type of overall player.

Can Edwards progress on both ends of the court? I haven't seen a ton of games but his stats especially offensively look reasonably promising. The defensive side seems more worrisome although I've seen worse...
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It's the type of shots he's taken.
monsterpile wrote:I'm trying to think of another somewhat similar player that is much more recently successful to compare rookie seasons too. How about Donovan Mitchell? Mitchell was more efficient and a better defender but was older with 2 years of college experience and he played for Rick Pitino. Both guys played with Rubio as Rookies. :) Mitchell was drafted by a team that had been successful although they had just lost Gordon Hayward and George Hill (replaced by Rubio). Edwards was drafted by a franchise really struggling. Utah had a system, reasonably accomplished GM in Lindsey and a well established coach in Quinn Snyder I think going into his 5th season. Edwards is already on his 2nd head coach. I don't know exactly how valuable Mitchell is but I think most of us would be pretty happy with that type of outcome for Edwards IF he could become that type of overall player.

Can Edwards progress on both ends of the court? I haven't seen a ton of games but his stats especially offensively look reasonably promising. The defensive side seems more worrisome although I've seen worse...



The age thing is a tough one.

We've seen firsthand the "well, he's young and obviously going to get A LOT better" thinking. And sometimes it works... sometimes not so much.

The thing is that Edwards' talent is unmistakable. But unfortunately... so are some of the things that made him a "poor/inefficient" player this season. And is shot selection, effort and feel for the game automatically going to evolve just by more time in the league and when the real money comes in? Not necessarily. It's very probable that he's already heard "shoot these types of shots" "move the ball" and "hustle back in transition" many times.

It's less about age for me. And all about the make-up of the player's desire to be great or the best. If it's not in the player's DNA... 3 or 5 or 10 years isn't going to help it develop.

No idea if Edwards has it or not. None of us do. So... we wait. And hope.
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In the 24 games he's played post All-Star Break he's at a TS% of .550. That's not great, but it's not bad and it's a shit-ton better than his first couple of months. So we have definitely seen some in-season improvement.

But to Abe's point, we have been burned time and again as fans of this franchise just assuming that a young player like him will improve.

- Love improved
- Culver actually got worse
- Has KAT really improved that much? He was really good to begin with, but there has been no big leap forward to put him up there with the Jokics or Embiids in my opinion.
- LaVine improved
- Wiggins....meh...kinda improved
- Bazz is out of the league

So it's a real mixed bag. Real, tangible improvement from season to season is more of the exception. Mostly guys kind are what they are or they regress.

So flip a coin on Edwards. The good news is I do believe as a trade asset he has largely preserved his value as a top 3 pick, if not quite a clear cut #1. That doesn't always happen. Sometimes these guys are at their top value the day they are drafted and then it goes downhill from there (Anthony Bennett, etc.).Like us, there are probably about half the GMs out there that believe he could be a superstar.
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Edwards gets picked in the lane quite a bit (yes, he's often fouled, but he's developing a reputation like Wiggins where he's vulnerable on the drive if you get hands in the path so we're seeing defenses do that).

I'd like to see him lower his handle AND work on making decisions that will get him to his takeoff spot from an angle that will avoid drop defenders reaching in.
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Ant's up to 40% from the field on the season, well on his way to becoming one of the most efficient scorers in the league
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