Ben Simmons

[BloopOracle]

Okay let's say we want to have a Towns Edwards Russell and Simmons core. What would you feel comfortable with giving up, because it would probably have to be almost everything else. Beasley, Naz, one or multiple first round picks, I wouldn't be shocked at all if McDaniels had to be included as well.

That would be really hard for me to do, I think I would be for it in the end but just barely

[FNG]

Okay let's say we want to have a Towns Edwards Russell and Simmons core. What would you feel comfortable with giving up, because it would probably have to be almost everything else. Beasley, Naz, one or multiple first round picks, I wouldn't be shocked at all if McDaniels had to be included as well.

That would be really hard for me to do, I think I would be for it in the end but just barely

Bloop, if the 76ers were willing to give up Simmons for pieces other than the three guys you mention, there's nobody I would be unwilling to give up...including McDaniels. Salary cap would be challenging going forward with three max players, so I would probably try to move DLO next for a serviceable player and an expiring contract. I love McDaniels potential, but a triad of KAT/Ant /Ben would be something we could really build around.

But I don't see Philly even picking up the phone if Kat, Ant or DLO aren't one of the names included in our offer. Jon K says the Wolves are unwilling to include DLO in a trade, but I don't know if that means anything. I have to believe Rosas is smart enough to pull the trigger if the Sixers were satisfied getting DLO and Beasley in exchange.

[thedoper]

Okay let's say we want to have a Towns Edwards Russell and Simmons core. What would you feel comfortable with giving up, because it would probably have to be almost everything else. Beasley, Naz, one or multiple first round picks, I wouldn't be shocked at all if McDaniels had to be included as well.

That would be really hard for me to do, I think I would be for it in the end but just barely

Bloop, if the 76ers were willing to give up Simmons for pieces other than the three guys you mention, there's nobody I would be unwilling to give up...including McDaniels. Salary cap would be challenging going forward with three max players, so I would probably try to move DLO next for a serviceable player and an expiring contract. I love McDaniels potential, but a triad of KAT/Ant /Ben would be something we could really build around.

But I don't see Philly even picking up the phone if Kat, Ant or DLO aren't one of the names included in our offer. Jon K says the Wolves are unwilling to include DLO in a trade, but I don't know if that means anything. I have to believe Rosas is smart enough to pull the trigger if the Sixers were satisfied getting DLO and Beasley in exchange.

I agree with this. I love McDaniels and his potential too, but we can only hope that one day he would have the on court impact that Simmons already has. I suspect Philly is asking a hell of a lot more than what we would give up. Unless Rosas has some crazy multiple pick situation in mind and 5 teams to make it work.

[Porckchop]

McDaniels might be one of those players we always obsess about teams like the Spurs finding in the draft. Might be nice for a change if we hold on to him and find out if we got our diamond in the rough. He showed a lot of promise, if Okogie and Culver have held roster spots than this man has more than earned his chance to prove himself further.
I consider him to be a building block.

[Coolbreeze44]

McDaniels might be one of those players we always obsess about teams like the Spurs finding in the draft. Might be nice for a change if we hold on to him and find out if we got our diamond in the rough. He showed a lot of promise, if Okogie and Culver have held roster spots than this man has more than earned his chance to prove himself further.
I consider him to be a building block.

He could potentially be a better pro than Ant. Don't get me wrong, I think Ant will contend for a scoring title some day. But I think Jaden could be a top 3 player on a championship team too.

[FNG]

McDaniels might be one of those players we always obsess about teams like the Spurs finding in the draft. Might be nice for a change if we hold on to him and find out if we got our diamond in the rough. He showed a lot of promise, if Okogie and Culver have held roster spots than this man has more than earned his chance to prove himself further.
I consider him to be a building block.

He could potentially be a better pro than Ant. Don't get me wrong, I think Ant will contend for a scoring title some day. But I think Jaden could be a top 3 player on a championship team too.

I don't necessarily agree with your take, Cool. And I will also add that among all the smart posters here, your view of the current Wolves roster probably most dovetails with mine. So lay your cards on the table. If the asking price for Simmons is DLO plus McDaniels, do you pull the trigger.

[Porckchop]

McDaniels might be one of those players we always obsess about teams like the Spurs finding in the draft. Might be nice for a change if we hold on to him and find out if we got our diamond in the rough. He showed a lot of promise, if Okogie and Culver have held roster spots than this man has more than earned his chance to prove himself further.
I consider him to be a building block.

He could potentially be a better pro than Ant. Don't get me wrong, I think Ant will contend for a scoring title some day. But I think Jaden could be a top 3 player on a championship team too.

I agree, he's already shown more promise as a shooter than Simmons and the defensive potential is there. We need to see this guy thru. If we trade him after the one year he had and he goes on to be a stud elsewhere I might have to hang it up. Lol

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Wolves alleged unwillingness to give up Russell is baffling. And whether the Wolves get Simmons... trade McDaniels... bury Ant on the bench... whatever...

If the current Wolves brass thinks Russell is THAT important... they're going to fuck up A LOT along the way which will keep the Wolves from truly competing anyway.



[Note: I think everybody here digs McDaniel... me included. But I think part of the love affair is more about just how bad the Wolves have been... than about how good he was or even how much potential he has. Finally a good promising rookie for the Wolves drafted lower. The same could be said for lots of guys. We're just not used to it around here.]

[Lipoli390]

The Wolves alleged unwillingness to give up Russell is baffling. And whether the Wolves get Simmons... trade McDaniels... bury Ant on the bench... whatever...

If the current Wolves brass thinks Russell is THAT important... they're going to fuck up A LOT along the way which will keep the Wolves from truly competing anyway.



[Note: I think everybody here digs McDaniel... me included. But I think part of the love affair is more about just how bad the Wolves have been... than about how good he was or even how much potential he has. Finally a good promising rookie for the Wolves drafted lower. The same could be said for lots of guys. We're just not used to it around here.]

Abe - You're spot on with your comment about the Wolves purported unwillingness to part with Russell.

As for Simmons, I'm just not as high on him as most others appear to be. The guy simply can't shoot - not from the three-point line, not from mid-range and not even from the free throw line. And yet he's not the dominant physical force that Giannis is. Calling him a PF doesn't help. The fact is, Simmons has no value on the offensive end if he's not ball-dominant. He needs to have the ball to take advantage of his elite passing and dribble penetration skills. The problem then is that defenses can sag off him and make it more difficult for his teammates to score while also targeting him for fouls. On the defensive end, he's very good, but he's not an imposing physical force inside, which means he's not the sort of PF this team needs next to KAT.

[FNG]

The Wolves alleged unwillingness to give up Russell is baffling. And whether the Wolves get Simmons... trade McDaniels... bury Ant on the bench... whatever...

If the current Wolves brass thinks Russell is THAT important... they're going to fuck up A LOT along the way which will keep the Wolves from truly competing anyway.



[Note: I think everybody here digs McDaniel... me included. But I think part of the love affair is more about just how bad the Wolves have been... than about how good he was or even how much potential he has. Finally a good promising rookie for the Wolves drafted lower. The same could be said for lots of guys. We're just not used to it around here.]

I'm totally in agreement with both points. IF the Wolves are reluctant to move DLO for an attractive return, then there is no hope for this franchise under this administration. But I continue to think the Jon K report is being overblown or at least misinterpreted. Sure, they may not WANT to move DLO after giving up Wig and a lottery pick for him. But I continue to believe Rosas is smart enough to know there is far more potential for the Wolves with Simmons than with Russell.

Unfortunately, Abe's second point is an eye opener for me. I've probably been as squarely on the McDaniels' bandwagon as anyone. I love his footwork on defense. I love his poise on offense. I see a sweet stroke that may result in a better 3-point percentage than the 36% he put up this year. And I love the fact that he was a top 10 recruit coming out of high school. But his results don't measure up to the pedestal I (and others) have put him on based on our respective eye tests. We overlook his quite ordinary year in college. And we ignore his rather meh per 36 stats his rookie year...10.2/5.5/1.7 is not an impressive per 36 line. Neither is his 60% free throw percentage. Do I think the kid has potential? Sure. But to Abe's point, my love affair with Jaden is certainly colored by the general ineptness of this franchise and the hope that maybe we finally got one right. If Philly needs him in the Simmons deal instead of Beasley, I don't hesitate to throw him in. Yeah, he may turn out to live up to the hype on this board, but it's just as likely he becomes the next Wolves' unspectacular draft pick. We know who Simmons is, and in my opinion we would be lucky to get him for DLO/Jaden. I would prefer tossing in Beasley rather than Jaden, but I don't think that will be nearly enough for the 76ers.