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Folks point to the James Harden situation when looking at what is going on with Simmons, which made me think....why not just swap Simmons for Harden? Seems like a good move for both teams.
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Q12543 wrote:Folks point to the James Harden situation when looking at what is going on with Simmons, which made me think....why not just swap Simmons for Harden? Seems like a good move for both teams.


I think a healthy James Harden -- and Damian Lillard at this point -- is worth two Ben Simmons. Brooklyn has so much firepower offensively that they don't need to focus on the other end of the ball as much as other teams do. They can and will outscore everyone.
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Camden wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Folks point to the James Harden situation when looking at what is going on with Simmons, which made me think....why not just swap Simmons for Harden? Seems like a good move for both teams.


I think a healthy James Harden -- and Damian Lillard at this point -- is worth two Ben Simmons. Brooklyn has so much firepower offensively that they don't need to focus on the other end of the ball as much as other teams do. They can and will outscore everyone.


Don't necessarily disagree, so perhaps the Sixers would need to add to that deal, but man, Simmons works really well with Durant, Irving, and Joe Harris...so complimentary IMO since all three of those guys can shoot and Simmons can defend and let Irving play off the ball more.

The Sixers and Brooklyn are also EC rivals, so perhaps neither would want to do anything to help each other out, even if it's mutual.
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Camden0916 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Folks point to the James Harden situation when looking at what is going on with Simmons, which made me think....why not just swap Simmons for Harden? Seems like a good move for both teams.


I think a healthy James Harden -- and Damian Lillard at this point -- is worth two Ben Simmons. Brooklyn has so much firepower offensively that they don't need to focus on the other end of the ball as much as other teams do. They can and will outscore everyone.


Health is Brooklyn's biggest deficiency. All of their big three seem like they could go down at any point. If they stay healthy their going to obliterate other teams with a whole training camp and year together.
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Camden0916 wrote:Disclaimer: The following NBA rumors are unverifiable and the source is questionable at best. Someone who appears to have been clued in at one point shared their notes and they were passed around on Twitter. I found them to be interesting, if nothing else.

- The following teams have shown interest in trading for Ben Simmons: Atlanta, Cleveland, Los Angeles (Lakers), Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento, and Toronto. Simmons wants out of Philadelphia and his market seems to be dying.

- Atlanta offered Cameron Reddish and Danilo Gallinari for Simmons. No draft picks were included in this offer. The source was told that Philadelphia considered this deal far from good enough. Philadelphia countered with an offer that included DeAndre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, Reddish and a pick. Atlanta declined and is prepared to roll with their current roster.

- Sacramento has been aggressively pursuing Simmons. The source says they offered Harrison Barnes, Tyrese Haliburton, and the No. 9 pick for Simmons on draft night. Philadelphia declined.

- Sacramento still has an offer on the table of Barnes, Haliburton, and a "lightly-protected" 2022 first-round pick for Simmons.

- Minnesota had the most asset-rich offer of Ricky Rubio, Jarrett Culver, "multiple lightly-protected first-round picks," and a pick swap for Simmons. Teams around the league felt this was by far the best offer for Simmons. Philadelphia declined and countered with the inclusion of Karl-Anthony Towns or Anthony Edwards as well as the addition of D'Angelo Russell instead of expiring contracts. Minnesota quickly declined.

- Cleveland offered Collin Sexton, Larry Nance Jr., Taurean Prince, and a "lightly-protected" 2022 first-round pick for Simmons. The source says that he was told that Philadelphia valued Sexton and Nance Jr., but required the No. 3 overall pick for starters and when that didn't happen they declined.

- Toronto offered Fred VanVleet, OG Anunoby, and a protected 2022 first-round pick for Simmons. Philadelphia declined this offer.

- Portland was willing to trade anyone on the roster for Simmons besides Damian Lillard and Robert Covington. Philadelphia was unwilling to entertain any offer that didn't include Lillard. Portland had no interest in doing so unless Joel Embiid was made available. The two teams are very, very far apart.

- Los Angeles checked in with an offer that would have included Dennis Schroder in some sort of sign-and-trade. Philadelphia didn't have interest in that. The Lakers then proceeded to make the trade for Russell Westbrook.

- The source was told that Philadelphia is overplaying their hand and will end up with less than what New York got for Kristaps Porzingis when it's all said and done.


Thanks Cam for posting.

Some of those offers seem to be getting into the ballpark. If the Sixers were a rebuilding team then maybe they would have been interested in the Wolves offer but my guess is they would want some more immediate help than just Rubio. They could use the draft picks to get players I suppose but that's not certain.
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Q12543 wrote:
Camden wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Folks point to the James Harden situation when looking at what is going on with Simmons, which made me think....why not just swap Simmons for Harden? Seems like a good move for both teams.


I think a healthy James Harden -- and Damian Lillard at this point -- is worth two Ben Simmons. Brooklyn has so much firepower offensively that they don't need to focus on the other end of the ball as much as other teams do. They can and will outscore everyone.


Don't necessarily disagree, so perhaps the Sixers would need to add to that deal, but man, Simmons works really well with Durant, Irving, and Joe Harris...so complimentary IMO since all three of those guys can shoot and Simmons can defend and let Irving play off the ball more.

The Sixers and Brooklyn are also EC rivals, so perhaps neither would want to do anything to help each other out, even if it's mutual.


I also think IF Harden is actually healthy (he was an iron man before the last couple seasons) he isn't a defensive liability like he was for many years. Durant can be a very good defender. Kyrie...he just needs to actually stay healthy and be on the floor much less worry about his defense. So that big 3 defensively...I'm not gonna say it's good but maybe not a train wreck either. I think one of the problems the Nets have with the current group is they simply don't have a defensive big but they are paying Deandre Jordan like he is one. They didn't add anyone this offseason either. That's a big problem no pun intended.
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monsterpile wrote:Thanks Cam for posting.

Some of those offers seem to be getting into the ballpark. If the Sixers were a rebuilding team then maybe they would have been interested in the Wolves offer but my guess is they would want some more immediate help than just Rubio. They could use the draft picks to get players I suppose but that's not certain.


I thought it was most interesting that the Wolves offered future assets and not any of the young players currently on the roster. That was a key detail to me. I wonder if we'll see Minnesota offer Patrick Beverley, Taurean Prince, multiple first-round picks and some pick swaps after about 60 days from yesterday. That looks like the structure of a deal that Gersson Rosas is putting together. Financially, those two salaries work in a trade for Ben Simmons. Beverley is technically a win now player albeit one with limited value. Prince's value may rise a bit, but he's essentially an expiring deal. And then Minnesota has control of all of their future first-round picks.
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Camden0916 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Thanks Cam for posting.

Some of those offers seem to be getting into the ballpark. If the Sixers were a rebuilding team then maybe they would have been interested in the Wolves offer but my guess is they would want some more immediate help than just Rubio. They could use the draft picks to get players I suppose but that's not certain.


I thought it was most interesting that the Wolves offered future assets and not any of the young players currently on the roster. That was a key detail to me. I wonder if we'll see Minnesota offer Patrick Beverley, Taurean Prince, multiple first-round picks and some pick swaps after about 60 days from yesterday. That looks like the structure of a deal that Gersson Rosas is putting together. Financially, those two salaries work in a trade for Ben Simmons. Beverley is technically a win now player albeit one with limited value. Prince's value may rise a bit, but he's essentially an expiring deal. And then Minnesota has control of all of their future first-round picks.


I think one way or another the Sixers would need to get something back that helps them more now. That might mean they add a player from another team in a 3 way deal for one or more of the Wolves picks. Judging using the players team above offered for Simmons what would Atlanta need to have to move Gallo? One 1st and an expiring like Prince? I highly doubt that basically Gallo Beverly and some decent firsts are gonna get the Sixers excited about dealing Simmons but it's interesting to think about.

I know the Wolves need shooting if the acquire Simmons but I would consider moving Beasley (likely to another team) to make it happen. If so it would be good to be able to keep Prince to help offset the loss of Beasley at least this season.

Also it may be worth noting that the Sixers have George Hill signed for the vet min and to some extent he is a similar player to Beverly in that he is a solid complimentary guard. Beverly brings more aggressive defense and Hill has a little more juice as an offensive player but I think you get what I am saying. My guess is that the Sixers would not turn down Beverly in a package and having both Hill and Beverly would help offset the real possibility that one of them would be hurt.
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The Athletic's Shams Charania:

"Both sides want the same thing which is a trade of Ben Simmons out of Philadelphia... The Sixers started conversations a few weeks before the draft with teams on trying to figure out which offer might be the best. I think they made some headway with some teams but at the end of the day, they don't have a deal done. I'm told they're continuing to talk to teams, Minnesota is one of the most interested teams in Ben Simmons, but a package with them would require a third team and those deals aren't easy so what I would expect is a climax to this situation to occur closer to the start of training camp because that's when there's going to be pressure. Are you going to want to bring Ben Simmons into training camp? Are you gonna want to try to get something done before camp starts? I think that's really where we're gonna see all this stuff start to climax."
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monsterpile wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Thanks Cam for posting.

Some of those offers seem to be getting into the ballpark. If the Sixers were a rebuilding team then maybe they would have been interested in the Wolves offer but my guess is they would want some more immediate help than just Rubio. They could use the draft picks to get players I suppose but that's not certain.


I thought it was most interesting that the Wolves offered future assets and not any of the young players currently on the roster. That was a key detail to me. I wonder if we'll see Minnesota offer Patrick Beverley, Taurean Prince, multiple first-round picks and some pick swaps after about 60 days from yesterday. That looks like the structure of a deal that Gersson Rosas is putting together. Financially, those two salaries work in a trade for Ben Simmons. Beverley is technically a win now player albeit one with limited value. Prince's value may rise a bit, but he's essentially an expiring deal. And then Minnesota has control of all of their future first-round picks.


I think one way or another the Sixers would need to get something back that helps them more now. That might mean they add a player from another team in a 3 way deal for one or more of the Wolves picks. Judging using the players team above offered for Simmons what would Atlanta need to have to move Gallo? One 1st and an expiring like Prince? I highly doubt that basically Gallo Beverly and some decent firsts are gonna get the Sixers excited about dealing Simmons but it's interesting to think about.

I know the Wolves need shooting if the acquire Simmons but I would consider moving Beasley (likely to another team) to make it happen. If so it would be good to be able to keep Prince to help offset the loss of Beasley at least this season.

Also it may be worth noting that the Sixers have George Hill signed for the vet min and to some extent he is a similar player to Beverly in that he is a solid complimentary guard. Beverly brings more aggressive defense and Hill has a little more juice as an offensive player but I think you get what I am saying. My guess is that the Sixers would not turn down Beverly in a package and having both Hill and Beverly would help offset the real possibility that one of them would be hurt.

Monster, George Hill signed with Milwaukee.
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