Camden wrote:- The Wolves touched base with Paul Millsap in the last two days. Nothing close to a signing there, but the interest makes sense. Minnesota appears more focused on their own free agents.
- It sounds like the Wolves made Jarrett Culver available to any team that would take him (and his salary) this off-season, but found no takers. It also sounds like Minnesota was unwilling to attach draft compensation to Culver to ship him away.
Good info. Thanks.
I'm happy that Rosas refused to attach draft compensation to jettison Culver. Patience is a virtue and it would have been a mistake to lose a future draft pick simply to jettison a player who will come off the books anyway in less than a year. Meanwhile, he could potentially have a breakthrough season or at least create some marginally positive trade value leading up to the February trade deadline. Britt was right. You don't give away assets to clear bad players off your roster when you're coming off a bottom 6 finish. That's especially true when talking about bad players with only one year left on their contracts. Again, I'm pleased with Gersson's restrain this summer. I hope it continues.
As for Millsap, I'm not interested. He's 36 years old and his defensive stats were pretty bad last season. He's not a rim protector and I think his days as a defensive stalwart are over. However, if we can sign him for one year at $6M and keep Bolmaro in Spain to ensure a roster spot, I'm fine signing signing him.
I tend to agree not to pay to get rid of a guy like Culver or Juancho BUT it depends on who they would have been able to sign. Let's say Holmes was a year or 2 younger and paying a 2nd rounder allowed the a wolves to sign him. That would be a pretty easy decision. I haven't seen any FA that makes me really wanting to deal away Culver or Juancho by giving up a 2nd if that was all it took.
Lip what defensive stats are you referring to with Millsap?
Personally I think Millsap would be a fantastic add. You get a tough smart player that can do a little of everything. He can handle the ball a little and pass. He can stretch the floor and even if he has lost a bit defensively he would likely still be an upgrade in that regard. He can't play big minutes but for a younger team that's a bit of a positive because it allows other guys to get opportunities. It also keeps his price lower. I would think some contender sure playoff team would offer him a few million bucks but who knows. I think most of us don't want to put too much into the vet leadership angle but I think Millsap would absolutely have some value there.
Saw something on twitter this morning about the Bucks possibly making Vanderbilt an offer. There was some panic among the faithful that Rosas might not match an offer from the Bucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Bucks have already spend most of their taxpayer MLE on George Hill. So I don't think they could even offer as much as his $2.5M qualifying offer.
I wouldn't be surprised if a team makes Vanderbilt and offer, but it's not going to be the Bucks. I can't foresee any team offering more than $5M per year and that's an amount I'd want Rosas to match. Ultimately, I see Vanderbilt re-signing form somewhere around $3-4M per year - perhaps a 2-year deal with a player option on the 3rd.
I don't think Rosas is holding off on re-signing Vanderbilt because he wants to test his market value. Instead, I suspect that Rosas is holding off to preserve salary flexibility for a potential trade. At this point, I think that's silly. I'd just re-sign Vanderbilt and move on. A significant deal is highly unlikely and this team badly needs defensive bigs, which means Vanderbilt should be considered an essential keeper no matter what kind of deals might emerge in the next couple months. What Rosas should do to preserve roster and salary flexibility is hold off on signing Bolmaro. Ideally, I'd like to see Bolmaro spend another year playing in Europe. Rosas can and should also hold off on inking a deal with JMac for a while longer. But he should just get on with re-signing Vanderbilt. Rosas is a checkers player who seems to believe he's playing chess.
lipoli390 wrote:Saw something on twitter this morning about the Bucks possibly making Vanderbilt an offer. There was some panic among the faithful that Rosas might not match an offer from the Bucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Bucks have already spend most of their taxpayer MLE on George Hill. So I don't think they could even offer as much as his $2.5M qualifying offer.
I wouldn't be surprised if a team makes Vanderbilt and offer, but it's not going to be the Bucks. I can't foresee any team offering more than $5M per year and that's an amount I'd want Rosas to match. Ultimately, I see Vanderbilt re-signing form somewhere around $3-4M per year - perhaps a 2-year deal with a player option on the 3rd.
I don't think Rosas is holding off on re-signing Vanderbilt because he wants to test his market value. Instead, I suspect that Rosas is holding off to preserve salary flexibility for a potential trade. At this point, I think that's silly. I'd just re-sign Vanderbilt and move on. A significant deal is highly unlikely and this team badly needs defensive bigs, which means Vanderbilt should be considered an essential keeper no matter what kind of deals might emerge in the next couple months. What Rosas should do to preserve roster and salary flexibility is hold off on signing Bolmaro. Ideally, I'd like to see Bolmaro spend another year playing in Europe. Rosas can and should also hold off on inking a deal with JMac for a while longer. But he should just get on with re-signing Vanderbilt. Rosas is a checkers player who seems to believe he's playing chess.
I believe both Dane Moore and Wolfson reported that the Wolves offered 3 million and Vanderbilt is wanting 6 million. Jon K didn't report numbers but basixay what he said backed up that reporting. If that's all true don't think Rosas is playing some sort of 3 D checkers. :) Note that multiple times Rosas has said that their own FAs are a priority. There are actually a few signs to indicate that is the case including being steadfast in that making additions are likely coming through trade. Without the Rubio deal Wolves fans that want Vanderbilt to come back would be worried as any kind of deal would put them in danger of the Tax.
Camden wrote:- The Wolves touched base with Paul Millsap in the last two days. Nothing close to a signing there, but the interest makes sense. Minnesota appears more focused on their own free agents.
- It sounds like the Wolves made Jarrett Culver available to any team that would take him (and his salary) this off-season, but found no takers. It also sounds like Minnesota was unwilling to attach draft compensation to Culver to ship him away.
Good info. Thanks.
I'm happy that Rosas refused to attach draft compensation to jettison Culver. Patience is a virtue and it would have been a mistake to lose a future draft pick simply to jettison a player who will come off the books anyway in less than a year. Meanwhile, he could potentially have a breakthrough season or at least create some marginally positive trade value leading up to the February trade deadline. Britt was right. You don't give away assets to clear bad players off your roster when you're coming off a bottom 6 finish. That's especially true when talking about bad players with only one year left on their contracts. Again, I'm pleased with Gersson's restrain this summer. I hope it continues.
As for Millsap, I'm not interested. He's 36 years old and his defensive stats were pretty bad last season. He's not a rim protector and I think his days as a defensive stalwart are over. However, if we can sign him for one year at $6M and keep Bolmaro in Spain to ensure a roster spot, I'm fine signing signing him.
I tend to agree not to pay to get rid of a guy like Culver or Juancho BUT it depends on who they would have been able to sign. Let's say Holmes was a year or 2 younger and paying a 2nd rounder allowed the a wolves to sign him. That would be a pretty easy decision. I haven't seen any FA that makes me really wanting to deal away Culver or Juancho by giving up a 2nd if that was all it took.
Lip what defensive stats are you referring to with Millsap?
Personally I think Millsap would be a fantastic add. You get a tough smart player that can do a little of everything. He can handle the ball a little and pass. He can stretch the floor and even if he has lost a bit defensively he would likely still be an upgrade in that regard. He can't play big minutes but for a younger team that's a bit of a positive because it allows other guys to get opportunities. It also keeps his price lower. I would think some contender sure playoff team would offer him a few million bucks but who knows. I think most of us don't want to put too much into the vet leadership angle but I think Millsap would absolutely have some value there.
Millsap's defensive rating last season was 111.5. That was a precipitous drop from his 104.5 rating the season, which was a typical defensive rating for him thought his career. His DWS number was 1.6, which is significantly lower than his DWS throughout his career. When you look at his career stats, you can see that he peaked at age 30 like many players, especially bigs. He's fallen off statistically since then, which is to be expected. But the danger zone comes when a player hits 35. Some point after that age, the vast majority of players experience a huge sudden drop in performance.
He turned 36 last February, which means he'll be turning 37 midway through next season. He's also had injury issues in recent years. I've been a big Paul Millsap fan for many years. If we could pull up old ESPN message board posts, you'd see a post by me criticizing the Wolves for not taking him in the 2nd round. I just don't think he's an answer for the Wolves right now. If he's available at the vet minimum, I'd definitely consider signing him. But I wouldn't pay more. I'd rather pay Hartenstein a little more based on his potential or trade for WCS at $4M per year.
Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.
Well, that's the rub. If Millsap was willing to sign here... maybe it would be a telltale sign he and the entire NBA knew he was cooked.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.
Yep, he'll likely end up on the Lakers for the minimum. I'd love to have him though...even at 36. He played 20 MPG for the Nuggets last year and finished with the 10th best DRPM among PF's. Ain't gonna happen, but he'd be an ideal 1-year pickup.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.
Yep, he'll likely end up on the Lakers for the minimum. I'd love to have him though...even at 36. He played 20 MPG for the Nuggets last year and finished with the 10th best DRPM among PF's. Ain't gonna happen, but he'd be an ideal 1-year pickup.
That's right. Honestly, it wouldn't make sense for him to sign with the Wolves. A lottery team is no place for a 36/37-year old vet. Guys like Millsap or PJ Tucker make sense for a playoff team seeking to take the next step to title contention or a team already contending for a title. They generally don't fit well with a team coming off a season when they had the 6th worst record in the League. If Millsap were even remotely open to signing with the Wolves, they'd have to pay him a premium and that would not make sense for the borderline luxury tax lottery team like the Wolves.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Millsap is pretty old. He's going to get knocked down by Mother Nature at some point... and not get back up.
But if we're going by last season... he's STILL a positive player. He was a slightly positive offensive player... and a slightly positive defensive player. And he did it for a really good playoff team. How many players on the entire Wolves roster over the past 18 seasons can say the same?
More importantly, I've often complained about the Wolves not having enough guys who know HOW to play NBA basketball. If nothing else, Millsap is a seasoned veteran who knows his role and what to do.
If anybody here has praised the days of Kevin Garnett and T. Prince... they should be on board with Millsap. Here's a guy who knows how to play who doesn't need the ball on a team full of gunners and offensive players...
I'm actually talking myself into it as I type.
I wouldn't expect him to be great. He could fall off a cliff if asked to do too much. And I wouldn't offer too much... nor do I even know how much is too much...
But up to this point in Paul Millsap's career... he'd be a great get for the Wolves.
Yeah, he'd be a great get in the absence of any other bigger move. But don't you think some sure-fire playoff team is going to sign him? I just can't imagine him wanting to come to the Wolves. He's basically a better version of Ed Davis at this point.
Well, that's the rub. If Millsap was willing to sign here... maybe it would be a telltale sign he and the entire NBA knew he was cooked.
Him and JJ Reddick have always been linked to the Wolves. Millsap almost came when Jimmy was traded here. Then last offseason Millsap visited the Wolves again. Is the 3rd time a charm?? I agree with Abe analysis of adding Millsap also
