Offseason trade/FA forum

[Lipoli390]

I've noticed that Rosas is taking a lot of heat in the blogosphere for not making any big moves as we see Markkanen going to the Spurs and Collins re-signing with Atlanta.

Perhaps to the surprise of some, I'm going to take this opportunity to praise Gersson. As I've noted in other posts, my biggest fear going into this summer was that Rosas would act rashly and make a bad deal out of desperation or a desire to make a splash. And I've been concerned by reports that he was interested in acquiring Markkanen and Gallo, to stretch forwards who don't come close to filling the team's defensive needs. Thankfully, Rosas appears to have been prudent and resolute in avoiding the temptation to make a bad deal just to make a deal. We might still see Rosas pull the trigger on a major deal for Myles Turner. Like Monster, I'm concerned about Turner's durability. But I could get behind a deal for him, depending on what we ultimately give up because he's at least the type of player the team needs.

In my view, the best case scenario right now, would be signing Tony Bradley or Hartenstein as a free agent or making a relatively minor deal for the likes of WCS. I actually like the WSC idea more and more because I think he and KAT might energize one another as former Kentucky teammates.

[Lipoli390]

John Collins apparently turn down Atlanta's $25M per year offer. He's obviously holding out for a max deal and I think it's pretty clear Atlanta won't give it to him. I believe the teams with cap room heading into the offseason have capped themselves out. So the table seems set for the Wolves to acquire him in a sign-and-trade. I just don't like the idea of adding Collins as a third max contract. That would give us two players who clearly aren't max-caliber. And I fear what Rosas would given up to get him. But that's where I think this thing is headed and it's why Rosas hasn't made any significant free agent moves thus far.

Sam Amick is reporting the Hawks don't have any interest in dealing him. That could be a ploy but I kinda doubt it. They can be a win now team. He can hope for a Max deal but basically it's the Spurs and OKC that has money left to offer him.

Honestly I'm not sure what Rosas would have to offer to get Collins and I don't think he qualifies as a "Star" so if that's true McDaniels is off the table. I also don't think Rosas would be willing to pay Collins max money I certainly wouldn't plus give up good enough assets that Atlanta would be willing to deal him. Atlanta is in a good spot and they have made him a nice offer. There are reports from a couple days ago that Collins would sign for a 120 million dollar deal. Those weren't completely accurate but that's interesting.

Now let's also look at the market from the last 2 years. Guys like Fournier are getting nearly 20 million a year (J Grant got 20 million a year last year) why wouldn't Collins try for the max? Maybe Atlanta ups the offer a bit or maybe they do a player option for the 5th year or something like that. 25 million a year in 5 years might be not a huge amount of money so it might be a bit of a negative to be locked in that long but it's also guaranteed money. I'd put the idea of the Wolves acquiring Collins at like 5%. Besides they already got his teammate Nathan Knight. We don't need Collins. :)

Well Monster. You were right. Collins is staying in Atlanta at $25M per year. Your analysis turned out to be correct as well. Rosas obviously wasn't willing to pay Collins max money or give up the assets required to get him.

[kekgeek]

I've noticed that Rosas is taking a lot of heat in the blogosphere for not making any big moves as we see Markkanen going to the Spurs and Collins re-signing with Atlanta.

Perhaps to the surprise of some, I'm going to take this opportunity to praise Gersson. As I've noted in other posts, my biggest fear going into this summer was that Rosas would act rashly and make a bad deal out of desperation or a desire to make a splash. And I've been concerned by reports that he was interested in acquiring Markkanen and Gallo, to stretch forwards who don't come close to filling the team's defensive needs. Thankfully, Rosas appears to have been prudent and resolute in avoiding the temptation to make a bad deal just to make a deal. We might still see Rosas pull the trigger on a major deal for Myles Turner. Like Monster, I'm concerned about Turner's durability. But I could get behind a deal for him, depending on what we ultimately give up because he's at least the type of player the team needs.

In my view, the best case scenario right now, would be signing Tony Bradley or Hartenstein as a free agent or making a relatively minor deal for the likes of WCS. I actually like the WSC idea more and more because I think he and KAT might energize one another as former Kentucky teammates.

Lauri Markkanen is still a free agent. Hadn't signed anywhere yet and spurs are down to 6 million in cap after getting aminu and thad young

[Monster]

I've noticed that Rosas is taking a lot of heat in the blogosphere for not making any big moves as we see Markkanen going to the Spurs and Collins re-signing with Atlanta.

Perhaps to the surprise of some, I'm going to take this opportunity to praise Gersson. As I've noted in other posts, my biggest fear going into this summer was that Rosas would act rashly and make a bad deal out of desperation or a desire to make a splash. And I've been concerned by reports that he was interested in acquiring Markkanen and Gallo, to stretch forwards who don't come close to filling the team's defensive needs. Thankfully, Rosas appears to have been prudent and resolute in avoiding the temptation to make a bad deal just to make a deal. We might still see Rosas pull the trigger on a major deal for Myles Turner. Like Monster, I'm concerned about Turner's durability. But I could get behind a deal for him, depending on what we ultimately give up because he's at least the type of player the team needs.

In my view, the best case scenario right now, would be signing Tony Bradley or Hartenstein as a free agent or making a relatively minor deal for the likes of WCS. I actually like the WSC idea more and more because I think he and KAT might energize one another as former Kentucky teammates.

Lauri Markkanen is still a free agent. Hadn't signed anywhere yet and spurs are down to 6 million in cap after getting aminu and thad young

Yeah what I am seeing on Markkanen is that he wanted to much for the Spurs so they took Thad Young instead. The Markkanen dream is still alive! :) The Spurs have been throwing money around and Markkanen's asking price was too high? Yikes I don't think the Wolves are going to pay a high price for him either and give up some sort of asset to get him.

Let's do a hypothetical Lip. Let's say the Wolves could sign Markkanen to a deal that would allow them to send one of the cheaper expiring contracts to the Bulls to match salary and give up a 2nd round pick. That could be like paying to get off a contract to sign a player. I'm not for that (somewhat depending on the price tag for Markkanen and length of contract) but it's one way of looking at it. I'm still with you in going with the cheap option. I kinda like Khem Birch I think he might be versatile enough defensively to be a solid fit next to Towns.

[kekgeek]

Free agent C Tony Bradley has agreed to a one-year deal with the Chicago Bulls, source tells ESPN.

[Coolbreeze44]

Even though I have ended up defending him far too often... DeRozan seems like a bit of an overpay for Chicago.

Then again, he's a decent floor raiser and maybe the Bulls are happy with just making the playoffs. They'll have a lot invested in that backcourt. Interestingly, LaVine will be the lowest paid guy there... at least for this season.

Edit: Actually, I forgot about Caruso. That makes things even more interesting. That's 4 legit players the Bulls will have. Two of them are pretty good defenders.

[Note: And as noted by others... the +/- stuff will be a hoot with DeRozan and LaVine. FNG's head might explode regardless of the outcome.]

Yeah, it's close to exploding. I've always had a peculiar fondness for outscoring my opponent...must go back to my childhood in some way. I'm not convinced the Chicago Bulls or Gersson Rosas share this fondness.

In competitive sports, does scoring more than your opponent matter? Who knew?

[WildWolf2813]

According to Keith Smith, this is what teams have left to spend


ATL- $5.9M of NTMLE
BOS- $5.9M Tax MLE
BKN- Minimums
CHA- $13.5M (pending I. Smith signing)
CHI- $9.5M MLE (pending S&Ts and TPEs)
CLE- $9.5M MLE
DAL- $3.7M BAE
DEN- $4.5M of NTMLE
DET- $4.9M Room Exception (pending FA signings)
GSW- $5.9M Tax MLE
HOU- $9.5M NTMLE
IND- $4.9M of NTMLE
LAC- $5.9M Tax MLE (pending Batum re-signing)
LAL- Minimums
MEM- $4.9M Room Exception
MIA- Minimums
MIL- $5.9M Tax MLE (pending G. Hill signing)
MIN- $9.5M NTMLE
NOP- $13.5M in cap space or $9.5M NTMLE (pending transaction structures)
NYK- $8.8M in cap space (if Vildoza waived)
OKC- $28M in cap space or over if retain TPEs
ORL- $4.9M of NTMLE
PHI- $6M of NTMLE
PHX- $4.9M of NTMLE
POR- $5.9M Tax MLE (pending FA signings)
SAC- $9.5M NTMLE
SAS- $6.1M in cap space (pending Forbes signing)
TOR- $9.5M NTMLE
UTA- Minimums
WAS- $9.5M NTMLE

[Coolbreeze44]

OKC with 28M in cap space plus 1500 1st round picks. If you're going to suck, that's where you want to be.

[kekgeek]

Free agent center Enes Kanter has agreed to a one-year deal with the Boston Celtics, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Kanter returns to Boston to compete in the Eastern Conference title race.

[kekgeek]

Free agent Victor Oladipo has agreed to a deal to return to the Miami Heat, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.