ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:I agree 100% offer him as much as we can to pressure the bucks to move on. Also offer him a starting role to make it worth leaving a contender.
I still think its a longshot though
Are we overrating Portis? I loved the role he played on the Bucks, but historically I think he's had issues defensively. Sometimes these guys look great playing in certain situations on a star-studded team and then they cash in on a bigger deal only to fall kind of flat on a different team. I'd worry about that with him. Yes, he would have been a bargain at last year's price. Not sure what he'd cost now.
Q I agree I still don't feel confident in Portis as a starter. Cool has watched him more than anyone here so I do like that he had no hesitation in saying he would offer him the full midlevel. I think that MIGHT end up being an overpay especially if it ended up being 3 or 4 years.
You might remember that I was advocating for the Wolves to sign Portis last year. I was thinking a 1 or 2 year deal at $5-6M per year. I still like him, but I'm not sure I'd pay him the full MLE, which I believe is around $9M per year on a multi-year deal. I'm with Monster in not having a lot of confidence in Portis as a starter. He has a bit of a a loose screw between his ears and I'd be cautious. And as Q noted, he's had defensive issues from time to time. I'd do a sign-and-trade with the Bucks - Juancho straight up for Portis.
I think you might be right, $9M is probably too much. But he's going to get at least $6M on the open market I like him for the Wolves because he brings that element we never have: toughness, grit, and maybe just a little bit crazy. We get pushed around too much and Bobby along with Vando would change that. Plus, Bobby can play. And he can shoot. And he would bring a championship pedigree. And we need his position. We should definitely kick the tires if the Bucks can't bring him back.
FWIW Bobby Marks says the most the Bucks can pay Portis is 5.6 million.
Lip the idea of the Bucks doing a sign and trade Portis for Juancho is funnier than the Cavs trading Nance for Rubio! :)
Monster - My main goal on this board is to keep you laughing. :)
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:I agree 100% offer him as much as we can to pressure the bucks to move on. Also offer him a starting role to make it worth leaving a contender.
I still think its a longshot though
Are we overrating Portis? I loved the role he played on the Bucks, but historically I think he's had issues defensively. Sometimes these guys look great playing in certain situations on a star-studded team and then they cash in on a bigger deal only to fall kind of flat on a different team. I'd worry about that with him. Yes, he would have been a bargain at last year's price. Not sure what he'd cost now.
Q I agree I still don't feel confident in Portis as a starter. Cool has watched him more than anyone here so I do like that he had no hesitation in saying he would offer him the full midlevel. I think that MIGHT end up being an overpay especially if it ended up being 3 or 4 years.
You might remember that I was advocating for the Wolves to sign Portis last year. I was thinking a 1 or 2 year deal at $5-6M per year. I still like him, but I'm not sure I'd pay him the full MLE, which I believe is around $9M per year on a multi-year deal. I'm with Monster in not having a lot of confidence in Portis as a starter. He has a bit of a a loose screw between his ears and I'd be cautious. And as Q noted, he's had defensive issues from time to time. I'd do a sign-and-trade with the Bucks - Juancho straight up for Portis.
I think you might be right, $9M is probably too much. But he's going to get at least $6M on the open market I like him for the Wolves because he brings that element we never have: toughness, grit, and maybe just a little bit crazy. We get pushed around too much and Bobby along with Vando would change that. Plus, Bobby can play. And he can shoot. And he would bring a championship pedigree. And we need his position. We should definitely kick the tires if the Bucks can't bring him back.
FWIW Bobby Marks says the most the Bucks can pay Portis is 5.6 million.
Lip the idea of the Bucks doing a sign and trade Portis for Juancho is funnier than the Cavs trading Nance for Rubio! :)
Monster - My main goal on this board is to keep you laughing. :)
The Chicago Bulls and forward Lauri Markkanen are open to a sign-and-trade deal, league sources told HoopsHype. One team to keep an eye on in the sign-and-trade market for Markkanen is the Minnesota Timberwolves, who've been searching for an upgrade at the power forward position.
Multiple teams with cap space entering the offseason also have Markkanen on their free agency radar, including the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder, HoopsHype has learned.
Markkanen, 24, shot a career-high from the field (.480) and beyond the arc (.402) last season with the Bulls.
Chicago recently extended a qualifying offer to Markkanen, which will make him a restricted free agent entering the market. Markkanen wants to play a larger role after a reduced role in Chicago last season.
This would be a Rosas type move. He talks about the need for a defensive big and rebounding, but then trades for an offensive-oriented stretch 4. Reminiscent of Rosas talking about the fast-paced, full court style of play with lots of ball movement he intended and then trading for a half-court, shoot-first, pick-and-roll PG named DLO.
The Chicago Bulls and forward Lauri Markkanen are open to a sign-and-trade deal, league sources told HoopsHype. One team to keep an eye on in the sign-and-trade market for Markkanen is the Minnesota Timberwolves, who've been searching for an upgrade at the power forward position.
Multiple teams with cap space entering the offseason also have Markkanen on their free agency radar, including the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder, HoopsHype has learned.
Markkanen, 24, shot a career-high from the field (.480) and beyond the arc (.402) last season with the Bulls.
Chicago recently extended a qualifying offer to Markkanen, which will make him a restricted free agent entering the market. Markkanen wants to play a larger role after a reduced role in Chicago last season.
This would be a Rosas type move. He talks about the need for a defensive big and rebounding, but then trades for an offensive-oriented stretch 4. Reminiscent of Rosas talking about the fast-paced, full court style of play with lots of ball movement he intended and then trading for a half-court, shoot-first, pick-and-roll PG named DLO.
We already have a roughly equivalent facsimile of Markkanen in Juancho. No thank you!
The Chicago Bulls and forward Lauri Markkanen are open to a sign-and-trade deal, league sources told HoopsHype. One team to keep an eye on in the sign-and-trade market for Markkanen is the Minnesota Timberwolves, who've been searching for an upgrade at the power forward position.
Multiple teams with cap space entering the offseason also have Markkanen on their free agency radar, including the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder, HoopsHype has learned.
Markkanen, 24, shot a career-high from the field (.480) and beyond the arc (.402) last season with the Bulls.
Chicago recently extended a qualifying offer to Markkanen, which will make him a restricted free agent entering the market. Markkanen wants to play a larger role after a reduced role in Chicago last season.
This would be a Rosas type move. He talks about the need for a defensive big and rebounding, but then trades for an offensive-oriented stretch 4. Reminiscent of Rosas talking about the fast-paced, full court style of play with lots of ball movement he intended and then trading for a half-court, shoot-first, pick-and-roll PG named DLO.
We already have a roughly equivalent facsimile of Markkanen in Juancho. No thank you!
This looks like some fantastic reporting. The Wolves have need of a PF and Markkanen is available so the Wolves are interested. Give the person that connected the dots on this one an award and a raise!!! :)
The Wolves need to find a PF and while I agree with Q that Markkanen is roughly like Juancho I do think he is a more legit player and bigger which helps. I also have a little more hope that Markkanen could improve. It would make sense to check in and at least see what kind of contract it would take to sign him. I have no idea what the Bulls would actually want in return for him that would make sense. He certainly wouldn't be high on my list and one of his problems like Juancho is he has had problems staying healthy. I'd much rather give up some sort of middling asset to add Thad Young just for a year.
The Chicago Bulls and forward Lauri Markkanen are open to a sign-and-trade deal, league sources told HoopsHype. One team to keep an eye on in the sign-and-trade market for Markkanen is the Minnesota Timberwolves, who've been searching for an upgrade at the power forward position.
Multiple teams with cap space entering the offseason also have Markkanen on their free agency radar, including the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder, HoopsHype has learned.
Markkanen, 24, shot a career-high from the field (.480) and beyond the arc (.402) last season with the Bulls.
Chicago recently extended a qualifying offer to Markkanen, which will make him a restricted free agent entering the market. Markkanen wants to play a larger role after a reduced role in Chicago last season.
This would be a Rosas type move. He talks about the need for a defensive big and rebounding, but then trades for an offensive-oriented stretch 4. Reminiscent of Rosas talking about the fast-paced, full court style of play with lots of ball movement he intended and then trading for a half-court, shoot-first, pick-and-roll PG named DLO.
We already have a roughly equivalent facsimile of Markkanen in Juancho. No thank you!
This looks like some fantastic reporting. The Wolves have need of a PF and Markkanen is available so the Wolves are interested. Give the person that connected the dots on this one an award and a raise!!! :)
The Wolves need to find a PF and while I agree with Q that Markkanen is roughly like Juancho I do think he is a more legit player and bigger which helps. I also have a little more hope that Markkanen could improve. It would make sense to check in and at least see what kind of contract it would take to sign him. I have no idea what the Bulls would actually want in return for him that would make sense. He certainly wouldn't be high on my list and one of his problems like Juancho is he has had problems staying healthy. I'd much rather give up some sort of middling asset to add Thad Young just for a year.
Solid reporting indicated Gersson's interest in Gallo. So it stands to reason that he'd be interested in Markkanen. But we don't know how interested. Maybe a one-for-one trade of Prince for Markkanen. :). Just trying to make you laugh, Monster. :)
The Chicago Bulls and forward Lauri Markkanen are open to a sign-and-trade deal, league sources told HoopsHype. One team to keep an eye on in the sign-and-trade market for Markkanen is the Minnesota Timberwolves, who've been searching for an upgrade at the power forward position.
Multiple teams with cap space entering the offseason also have Markkanen on their free agency radar, including the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder, HoopsHype has learned.
Markkanen, 24, shot a career-high from the field (.480) and beyond the arc (.402) last season with the Bulls.
Chicago recently extended a qualifying offer to Markkanen, which will make him a restricted free agent entering the market. Markkanen wants to play a larger role after a reduced role in Chicago last season.
This would be a Rosas type move. He talks about the need for a defensive big and rebounding, but then trades for an offensive-oriented stretch 4. Reminiscent of Rosas talking about the fast-paced, full court style of play with lots of ball movement he intended and then trading for a half-court, shoot-first, pick-and-roll PG named DLO.
We already have a roughly equivalent facsimile of Markkanen in Juancho. No thank you!
This looks like some fantastic reporting. The Wolves have need of a PF and Markkanen is available so the Wolves are interested. Give the person that connected the dots on this one an award and a raise!!! :)
The Wolves need to find a PF and while I agree with Q that Markkanen is roughly like Juancho I do think he is a more legit player and bigger which helps. I also have a little more hope that Markkanen could improve. It would make sense to check in and at least see what kind of contract it would take to sign him. I have no idea what the Bulls would actually want in return for him that would make sense. He certainly wouldn't be high on my list and one of his problems like Juancho is he has had problems staying healthy. I'd much rather give up some sort of middling asset to add Thad Young just for a year.
Solid reporting indicated Gersson's interest in Gallo. So it stands to reason that he'd be interested in Markkanen. But we don't know how interested. Maybe a one-for-one trade of Prince for Markkanen. :). Just trying to make you laugh, Monster. :)
:)
Just to be clear I was taking a bit of a shot at the "report" not you posting it.
I'll say one sliver of hope for Markkanen being even an average starter (which would make him reasonably valuable around the league)?is...last season was his first playing under a legitimately good coach in Billy Donovan and he had career high shooting numbers. So MAYBE a better coaching staff can get more out of him as a guy that's had some success and turned 24 in May. I wasn't a fan of his in the draft going as high as he did (thought he would be an NBA player just not amazing) but at this point I do think he is a rotation player in the NBA and if somehow a team could sign him for money as a rotation guy he could be useful...and possibly even a trade asset.
Also you have brought me such laughter and joy I hope to do the same for you someday. :)
