lipoli390 wrote:Speculation related to the Paul Millsap signing: "Having another big man on the roster should lead to further speculation of a potential buyout for DeAndre Jordan. There has been talk that Brooklyn wants to get out from under Jordan's contract, which will pay him $19.7MM over the next two seasons."
If the Nets buy him out, he'll probably look to latch on to a title contender. But he'd be a nice addition to the Wolves as a veteran backup center or a starting center with KAT shifting to PF.
Jordan is so washed, no thank you there
But is he washed, kek? He's averaged over 20 MPG the past two seasons for Brooklyn, and last year averaged 12.3/12.3 with almost 2 blocks per 36. His ORtg was 127 and his DRtg was 111 with a TS of 64%...not much to scoff at there, not to mention a guy getting 20 minutes on Brooklyn should be able to crack the stacked Wolves rotation ;-). Now since I have a reputation of citing on/off stats, I will point out that his on/offs last year were not good. He's not coming here, but 20 minutes of Jordan next to KAT wouldn't be half bad.
I have to ask myself...If Jordon is useful at all why are the Nets (hey one of those contenders!) dumping him for nothing? They have no center of they move on from him. They didn't play him much last year. He might still have something left but I think he might basically be done. I would pass at this point.
Yes, they already have Jordan's replacement in Claxton, plus they will give LMA and Griffin minutes at the 5.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
He is a really undersized guy as a PF. He is 6'7.25" without shoes and a 6'8.75" wingspan. The rebounding numbers are relatively impressive as well as his production in the G-league. I saw him play a couple games in SL and he does a lot of good things. He is an high energy star in his role type guy but seems to play with some intelligence also. He had some good assist numbers in the G-league and can handle the ball some too.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
He's no where near the defender that Jarred Vanderbilt is, but I too like Alize Johnson. I think it was monster that I had a conversation with on here about him as a guy I thought might get waived. He has a very crafty offensive game despite having a broken jumper. I'd much rather have Vanderbilt, but Johnson can definitely play. He won't be a free agent very long.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
He's no where near the defender that Jarred Vanderbilt is, but I too like Alize Johnson. I think it was monster that I had a conversation with on here about him as a guy I thought might get waived. He has a very crafty offensive game despite having a broken jumper. I'd much rather have Vanderbilt, but Johnson can definitely play. He won't be a free agent very long.
I really appreciated Vando's D last season, but Johnson is a tenacious defender too...although I agree Vando is probably superior on D. But I see Johnson as far superior offensively. Vando is really limited to putbacks and rim running, but Johnson has some actual offensive talent. He was one of those guys who was short early in HS and developed ballhandling skills, and then grew 7 inches. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute, and his 13 for 13 from the line last year shows that, unlike Vando, he can shoot a little. Durant raved about him last season. I like players like Vando and Johnson, but I'll take Johnson. Especially since he's not likely to demand as much money.
We're comparing Alize Johnson's 189 minutes played in 18 games as a 24-year old to Jarred Vanderbilt's 1,139 minutes played in 64 games (30 starts) as a 21-year old. I'll take Vando. I think the upside defensively is legitimate. And I wouldn't bet on Johnson as a shooter. His shot is very mechanical and unorthodox. He was a good free throw shooter in college, but outside of that it's not in his bag.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
He's no where near the defender that Jarred Vanderbilt is, but I too like Alize Johnson. I think it was monster that I had a conversation with on here about him as a guy I thought might get waived. He has a very crafty offensive game despite having a broken jumper. I'd much rather have Vanderbilt, but Johnson can definitely play. He won't be a free agent very long.
I really appreciated Vando's D last season, but Johnson is a tenacious defender too...although I agree Vando is probably superior on D. But I see Johnson as far superior offensively. Vando is really limited to putbacks and rim running, but Johnson has some actual offensive talent. He was one of those guys who was short early in HS and developed ballhandling skills, and then grew 7 inches. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute, and his 13 for 13 from the line last year shows that, unlike Vando, he can shoot a little. Durant raved about him last season. I like players like Vando and Johnson, but I'll take Johnson. Especially since he's not likely to demand as much money.
FWIW Johnson did actually take a decent amount of 3's in college and also attempted and made them at a solid percentage in the G-league. He is a better FT shooter.
Really here are some differences between these guys:
1. Vanderbilt has more physical attributes that might help him be successful. He is just longer.
2. Vanderbilt is 3 years younger so there is theoretical upside.
3. The shooting prowess (or for Vanderbilt lack thereof) I mentioned before.
4. Completely different paths to the league. Johnson played 4 years of college basketball and 65 G-league games. He wasn't even a D1 guy. Dude has been grinding for everything he has gotten. Vanderbilt was a McDonalds all American. Before last season Vanderbilt might have played like maybe 90 total competitive games since HS and that includes college and summer league. Vanderbilt doesn't play like an entitled guy or anything like that but until this year where he did actually show some positive things he had played so little.
They have a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses so similar players. I'd rather have Vanderbilt and it should also be said that Alize hasn't played a lot in the NBA to be proven or anything like that. I'm guessing some team will end up signing him and could be quite pleased. Honestly if a good team needs a guy that just comes in and does some reasonably good stuff he could help.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
He's no where near the defender that Jarred Vanderbilt is, but I too like Alize Johnson. I think it was monster that I had a conversation with on here about him as a guy I thought might get waived. He has a very crafty offensive game despite having a broken jumper. I'd much rather have Vanderbilt, but Johnson can definitely play. He won't be a free agent very long.
I really appreciated Vando's D last season, but Johnson is a tenacious defender too...although I agree Vando is probably superior on D. But I see Johnson as far superior offensively. Vando is really limited to putbacks and rim running, but Johnson has some actual offensive talent. He was one of those guys who was short early in HS and developed ballhandling skills, and then grew 7 inches. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute, and his 13 for 13 from the line last year shows that, unlike Vando, he can shoot a little. Durant raved about him last season. I like players like Vando and Johnson, but I'll take Johnson. Especially since he's not likely to demand as much money.
FWIW Johnson did actually take a decent amount of 3's in college and also attempted and made them at a solid percentage in the G-league. He is a better FT shooter.
Really here are some differences between these guys:
1. Vanderbilt has more physical attributes that might help him be successful. He is just longer.
2. Vanderbilt is 3 years younger so there is theoretical upside.
3. The shooting prowess (or for Vanderbilt lack thereof) I mentioned before.
4. Completely different paths to the league. Johnson played 4 years of college basketball and 65 G-league games. He wasn't even a D1 guy. Dude has been grinding for everything he has gotten. Vanderbilt was a McDonalds all American. Before last season Vanderbilt might have played like maybe 90 total competitive games since HS and that includes college and summer league. Vanderbilt doesn't play like an entitled guy or anything like that but until this year where he did actually show some positive things he had played so little.
They have a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses so similar players. I'd rather have Vanderbilt and it should also be said that Alize hasn't played a lot in the NBA to be proven or anything like that. I'm guessing some team will end up signing him and could be quite pleased. Honestly if a good team needs a guy that just comes in and does some reasonably good stuff he could help.
All good points, monster and cam. But as much as I love Vando, Johnson actually has some basketball skills as opposed to just physical attributes. Vando has better size and might be a better defender, but Johnson can actually shoot and dribble, and is even a better rebounder than Vando. I'd be happy to have either one on my roster...they are the definition of a high motor player.
ALLDAYCHRIS wrote:The Nets released Alize Johnson. Could he be a solid depth pickup for us? I don't know a ton about him but his efficiency numbers from last year look good and Brooklyn even gave him some playing time in the Milwaukee series.
My god, yes! This is the kind of player who is only available just because the Nets are so loaded. But think of him as a better version of Jarred Vanderbilt (and I love Vanderbilt, by the way). Have you seen this guy play? His measurements are not all that impressive, but he is a force out there. I think he had a 20/20 game last season (yep...just checked it. 20/21 with 2 blocks against Indy last April). I recognize he only played 10 MPG (on a very good team) but he averaged an absurd 18/17 per 36. Can he shoot? I don't know. But I do know he made all 13 free throws he took last year, so that has to mean something.
Sign his right away...he's a better, cheaper version of Vando.
He's no where near the defender that Jarred Vanderbilt is, but I too like Alize Johnson. I think it was monster that I had a conversation with on here about him as a guy I thought might get waived. He has a very crafty offensive game despite having a broken jumper. I'd much rather have Vanderbilt, but Johnson can definitely play. He won't be a free agent very long.
I really appreciated Vando's D last season, but Johnson is a tenacious defender too...although I agree Vando is probably superior on D. But I see Johnson as far superior offensively. Vando is really limited to putbacks and rim running, but Johnson has some actual offensive talent. He was one of those guys who was short early in HS and developed ballhandling skills, and then grew 7 inches. He can put the ball on the floor and distribute, and his 13 for 13 from the line last year shows that, unlike Vando, he can shoot a little. Durant raved about him last season. I like players like Vando and Johnson, but I'll take Johnson. Especially since he's not likely to demand as much money.
FWIW Johnson did actually take a decent amount of 3's in college and also attempted and made them at a solid percentage in the G-league. He is a better FT shooter.
Really here are some differences between these guys:
1. Vanderbilt has more physical attributes that might help him be successful. He is just longer.
2. Vanderbilt is 3 years younger so there is theoretical upside.
3. The shooting prowess (or for Vanderbilt lack thereof) I mentioned before.
4. Completely different paths to the league. Johnson played 4 years of college basketball and 65 G-league games. He wasn't even a D1 guy. Dude has been grinding for everything he has gotten. Vanderbilt was a McDonalds all American. Before last season Vanderbilt might have played like maybe 90 total competitive games since HS and that includes college and summer league. Vanderbilt doesn't play like an entitled guy or anything like that but until this year where he did actually show some positive things he had played so little.
They have a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses so similar players. I'd rather have Vanderbilt and it should also be said that Alize hasn't played a lot in the NBA to be proven or anything like that. I'm guessing some team will end up signing him and could be quite pleased. Honestly if a good team needs a guy that just comes in and does some reasonably good stuff he could help.
All good points, monster and cam. But as much as I love Vando, Johnson actually has some basketball skills as opposed to just physical attributes. Vando has better size and might be a better defender, but Johnson can actually shoot and dribble, and is even a better rebounder than Vando. I'd be happy to have either one on my roster...they are the definition of a high motor player.
Vando can dribble also he used to be a PG too. Is Alize better now? Sure because again the guy has played a bunch more basketball.
So you want the guy that's a lesser defender and has offensive capability? What? Doesn't this team need all the defense they can get?
What we should actually be doing is comparing Alize to Nathan Knight because that's likely who he would be competing for minutes if he was signed here. If I was going off what I saw in Summer league only it would be Knight plus he is more of the type of player this roster needs in terms of size and length. He has a pretty diverse skill set too.
Meanwhile another similar player to Alize and Vanderbilt who is plenty capable of playing his butt off and defending and handling the ball some and has played on some good teams...26 year old RHJ aid a FA that anyone can sign right now. Dude can at times guard 4-5 positions if I was going to choose between him and Alize I would probably pick him.
What I am getting at here is there are small margins between various players and the Wolves already have a couple high motor guys that can play in the front court with some interesting skills but aren't proven. I'd be happy to pick up Alize but I'm not really going to be disappointed to not see him here.
I think the wolves could get both Johnson and vando. I'm not sure how the waiver system works but Johnson is making the minimum so we could just claim him can't we? Then resign vando
