lipoli390 wrote:So I guess Rosas is a checkers player after all. :) I'll give him credit. He's a plays an aggressive game of checkers.
I have to confess that I thought Rosas had a deal in hand. Obviously, he didn't. There's nothing special about Rosas and his front office team as far as I can see. I thought he should have given up Covington to get Garland and I'd say he should have given up Covington to get Russell. Drawing the line at giving up a 29-year old 3&D player coming off a knee problem that kept him out for 2 months makes no sense for a team building around the 24-year old KAT on the front end of his 5-year contract. So I'm not impressed by Rosas so far.
Having said that, I'm not in despair over this and I'm not ready to proclaim Rosas a failure or an idiot on par with David Kahn or Thibodeau. In fact, I'll give Rosas credit for not making a bad deal. I'll give him credit for setting his parameters and holding to them. This is a marathon (or at least a 10K), not a sprint for the Wolves. The Nets didn't get where they are in one summer. They set things up the previous two summers with smart draft picks, solid acquisitions, impressive player development and good hires, but nothing flashy. The real test for Rosas will be his decision to draft Culver, especially relative to how Garland pans out, along with his decision to draft Nowell and then the development of those two as well as the development of Okogie and KBD. Then we'll see what Rosas does next summer with more draft picks, Teague coming off the books and Gorgui's contract set to expire one year later.
The only sign so far that Rosas isn't the brightest bulb was his decision to release Reynolds - a young player with 3-point shooting skills on a non-guaranteed contract. It will get worse if they bring him back on a guaranteed contract. Then I'll start to really wonder about Rosas. But for now, I'm OK with Rosas and what's happened so far. He hasn't messed up as far as I can see. He just hasn't done anything impressive. And that's in line with the entire history of Timberwolves management.
Good post Lip. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm OK with Rosas, but he deserves a lot more time to try and figure this thing out. He's not off to a great start. He can help his cause by calling Ainge and saying "Danny, let's help each other out."
TheGrey08 wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Golden State is trading Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies, league source tells ESPN. Warriors are sending a 2024 protected first-round pick in the 2024 (protected 1-4), 2025 (protected 1) and 2026 unprotected.
wtf
I think its, the protections on 1 pick because you cant trade b2b picks. I misread as well.
So the grizzlies could have eaten teagues deal for a pick, but rosas chose not to?
Why would the Grizzlies want a PG when they just drafted Ja over a defensive wing with championship experience?
Iggy wasnt on the table at the time. The Grizzlies are just collecting picks, I dont think they would have cared who was coming along with the pick. And having a vet pg to show ja the ropes wouldnt be the worst thing.
crazy-canuck wrote:Are we so sure that Dlo just didnt outright choose Golden State?
Let's see....chance at a championship on a team that likes to pass the ball and chuck 3's AND have him a full max deal. Oh and the first few months of the season he will be the man with Curry. He was a RFA he chose his spot NOBODY would have guessed this a few hours ago.
The Warriors just aren't a championship caliber team without Klay. And now that they don't have Iggy either who's defending outside of Draymond? The Russell deal seems like a saving face move for KD leaving, but I just don't see the fit long term for them. Getting a young asset who can get a bunch of playing time this year locked into a long term deal is a good move to make for a trade chip for next year when they actually look to get back into contention.
monsterpile wrote:Remember the Nets were in REALLY bad shape when Marks took over. They built a good team ended up with Russell and then just proceeded to real in a heck of a FA haul all while keeping all their young players except for Russell. That's pretty damn good. All is not lost folks.
Agree, glad he didn't do a deal like GS just did. Exact same situation, needed to move a contact to get DLo, but wisely chose not to in my opinion. That deal is so bad it's laughable, desperation, wowza.
crazy-canuck wrote:Are we so sure that Dlo just didnt outright choose Golden State?
Let's see....chance at a championship on a team that likes to pass the ball and chuck 3's AND have him a full max deal. Oh and the first few months of the season he will be the man with Curry. He was a RFA he chose his spot NOBODY would have guessed this a few hours ago.
The Warriors just aren't a championship caliber team without Klay. And now that they don't have Iggy either who's defending outside of Draymond? The Russell deal seems like a saving face move for KD leaving, but I just don't see the fit long term for them. Getting a young asset who can get a bunch of playing time this year locked into a long term deal is a good move to make for a trade chip for next year when they actually look to get back into contention.
I think you're making good points here. But Klay will play next year, and they can still be a contender with Steph, Dray, and now Russell. Remember, Steph, Dray and Klay have won by themselves before. But past next year, I agree things get murkier.
Dane seems to be hinting that we had something in place, but Dlo just chose the Warriors.
Dane Moore
@DaneMooreNBA
Yes, I'm sure. They had the pieces in place to make the money work.
It changed when the team that has dominated the NBA for the better part of the decade popped up outta nowhere and said, "Hey, wanna play for us. We're way better than the Timberwolves and play in California."
crazy-canuck wrote:Dane seems to be hinting that we had something in place, but Dlo just chose the Warriors.
Dane Moore
@DaneMooreNBA
Yes, I'm sure. They had the pieces in place to make the money work.
It changed when the team that has dominated the NBA for the better part of the decade popped up outta nowhere and said, "Hey, wanna play for us. We're way better than the Timberwolves and play in California."
crazy-canuck wrote:Are we so sure that Dlo just didnt outright choose Golden State?
Let's see....chance at a championship on a team that likes to pass the ball and chuck 3's AND have him a full max deal. Oh and the first few months of the season he will be the man with Curry. He was a RFA he chose his spot NOBODY would have guessed this a few hours ago.
The Warriors just aren't a championship caliber team without Klay. And now that they don't have Iggy either who's defending outside of Draymond? The Russell deal seems like a saving face move for KD leaving, but I just don't see the fit long term for them. Getting a young asset who can get a bunch of playing time this year locked into a long term deal is a good move to make for a trade chip for next year when they actually look to get back into contention.
I think you're making good points here. But Klay will play next year, and they can still be a contender with Steph, Dray, and now Russell. Remember, Steph, Dray and Klay have won by themselves before. But past next year, I agree things get murkier.
I haven't heard anywhere report Klay is gonna play next year. Everyone said when it came out he was basically done for a year which when that happens in the finals means you're out for the next year. And I don't think Steph, Russell and Draymond is good enough to contend. They just lost 3 of their 4 best defenders this summer and they got torched in the finals when they didn't have Klay and KD. I'd take a couple teams in the West over them at this point.
crazy-canuck wrote:Are we so sure that Dlo just didnt outright choose Golden State?
Let's see....chance at a championship on a team that likes to pass the ball and chuck 3's AND have him a full max deal. Oh and the first few months of the season he will be the man with Curry. He was a RFA he chose his spot NOBODY would have guessed this a few hours ago.
The Warriors just aren't a championship caliber team without Klay. And now that they don't have Iggy either who's defending outside of Draymond? The Russell deal seems like a saving face move for KD leaving, but I just don't see the fit long term for them. Getting a young asset who can get a bunch of playing time this year locked into a long term deal is a good move to make for a trade chip for next year when they actually look to get back into contention.
I think you're making good points here. But Klay will play next year, and they can still be a contender with Steph, Dray, and now Russell. Remember, Steph, Dray and Klay have won by themselves before. But past next year, I agree things get murkier.
I haven't heard anywhere report Klay is gonna play next year. Everyone said when it came out he was basically done for a year which when that happens in the finals means you're out for the next year. And I don't think Steph, Russell and Draymond is good enough to contend. They just lost 3 of their 4 best defenders this summer and they got torched in the finals when they didn't have Klay and KD. I'd take a couple teams in the West over them at this point.
Ok but they are gonna be better (probably a lot better)?than the Wolves right?
crazy-canuck wrote:Are we so sure that Dlo just didnt outright choose Golden State?
Let's see....chance at a championship on a team that likes to pass the ball and chuck 3's AND have him a full max deal. Oh and the first few months of the season he will be the man with Curry. He was a RFA he chose his spot NOBODY would have guessed this a few hours ago.
The Warriors just aren't a championship caliber team without Klay. And now that they don't have Iggy either who's defending outside of Draymond? The Russell deal seems like a saving face move for KD leaving, but I just don't see the fit long term for them. Getting a young asset who can get a bunch of playing time this year locked into a long term deal is a good move to make for a trade chip for next year when they actually look to get back into contention.
I think you're making good points here. But Klay will play next year, and they can still be a contender with Steph, Dray, and now Russell. Remember, Steph, Dray and Klay have won by themselves before. But past next year, I agree things get murkier.
I haven't heard anywhere report Klay is gonna play next year. Everyone said when it came out he was basically done for a year which when that happens in the finals means you're out for the next year. And I don't think Steph, Russell and Draymond is good enough to contend. They just lost 3 of their 4 best defenders this summer and they got torched in the finals when they didn't have Klay and KD. I'd take a couple teams in the West over them at this point.
Klay won't be the same next year, but he should be ready to go around March. It's amazing how fast guys are coming back from this injury now. The procedure and rehab are more a matter of routine, than chance. I don't see them winning the West, but they are still a contender.
