lipoli390 wrote:OK. We now know we have the 11th pick in shallow draft. In true Timberwolves fashion we not only failed to move up in the draft, but actually moved down a spot. And of course it was a conference rival, the Lakers, who leapfrogged us to snag the 4th pick.
I think the best move for the Wolves now is to trade down from 11 in exchange for Boston's #14 and 20 picks or the Net's #17 and 27 picks. Of course, getting either deal assumes there is someone at #11 who either the Celtics or Nets covet. As for me, I don't see any material difference between those likely to be available at #11 versus those likely to be available 14-27.
ESPN's updated mock has the Wolves taking Brandon Clarke at #11. Having listed him as one of my 4 high ceiling sleepers, I'd be happy with that pick. But the whole situation is pretty depressing. You'd think this franchise could get lucky just once and move up in the draft. Alas, here we are.
A trade down is what I want to see. I like nickeil (I'd take him at 11) and the Admiral or Cam Johnson in that scenario.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
Thats one side of the ball. Defensively, we're absolutely need someone that can defend, rebound, and do the dirty things. If love for that of to be a stretch 4 as well, but those dont exactly grow on trees. I'm ok with clarkes length because I think hes got good instincts and feet. Hopefully if we take him, Rosa's is smart enough to turn and extend his range to 3 a la siakam teenager siakam jade a lot of question marks, his offensive game developed after because he had the motor to impact the game right away.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
Thats one side of the ball. Defensively, we're absolutely need someone that can defend, rebound, and do the dirty things. If love for that of to be a stretch 4 as well, but those dont exactly grow on trees. I'm ok with clarkes length because I think hes got good instincts and feet. Hopefully if we take him, Rosa's is smart enough to turn and extend his range to 3 a la siakam teenager siakam jade a lot of question marks, his offensive game developed after because he had the motor to impact the game right away.
It is one side of the ball, yes, but we proved to be damn near decent defensively with a healthy RoCo (taj helped too, but you're not replacing him in a draft). We need shooters the most. Look what happened when RoCo went out and Rose came back to earth. Bench or starter, we need 3 point threats.
For every Siakim or Gianni's there are 100 Bruno Caboclos. Clarke's profile is nowhere near theirs anyhow. If you're hoping for a 1 in a million lottery chance, then take the kid from France or maybe Rui, though I'd bet on Atlanta taking hihim
Nickeil is who I'm really hangimg y hat on. He plays defense well at 1-3 positions( likely just 1-2 in the nba), can playmake and handle well, finishes at the rim and mid, and can knock down 3s. He would be in a great position here under Saunders and with zero pressure to start. He would be a nice injection to our bench.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
Thats one side of the ball. Defensively, we're absolutely need someone that can defend, rebound, and do the dirty things. If love for that of to be a stretch 4 as well, but those dont exactly grow on trees. I'm ok with clarkes length because I think hes got good instincts and feet. Hopefully if we take him, Rosa's is smart enough to turn and extend his range to 3 a la siakam teenager siakam jade a lot of question marks, his offensive game developed after because he had the motor to impact the game right away.
It is one side of the ball, yes, but we proved to be damn near decent defensively with a healthy RoCo (taj helped too, but you're not replacing him in a draft). We need shooters the most. Look what happened when RoCo went out and Rose came back to earth. Bench or starter, we need 3 point threats.
For every Siakim or Gianni's there are 100 Bruno Caboclos. Clarke's profile is nowhere near theirs anyhow. If you're hoping for a 1 in a million lottery chance, then take the kid from France or maybe Rui, though I'd bet on Atlanta taking hihim
Nickeil is who I'm really hangimg y hat on. He plays defense well at 1-3 positions( likely just 1-2 in the nba), can playmake and handle well, finishes at the rim and mid, and can knock down 3s. He would be in a great position here under Saunders and with zero pressure to start. He would be a nice injection to our bench.
"Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat."
Camden0916 wrote:khans, we practically had the same conversation several years ago when you argued that Murray wouldn't be able to create his own shot in the NBA.
I'm not saying your concerns weren't legitimate or that you haven't been right about guys before, but I think you're kind of pigeonholing Herro to be a 3P-specialist when he's not really that.
Again, Kentucky does have a history of hiding their guards' ability to create for themselves and instead operate in a systematic approach. The thinking is to force these young players to work on areas of their games that might not necessarily be a strength right now. For Booker, Murray, and even Herro, Calipari restricted some of their game in order to ensure that they grew off-ball. All three of them progressed in that area throughout their respective freshman seasons. We even saw Towns' game be held back to essentially force him to grow his post game since he was primarily comfortable working from the perimeter.
I just don't think you've given Herro too much though other than perhaps he's a good shooter therefore he must be a specialist, which tends to happen.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
Thats one side of the ball. Defensively, we're absolutely need someone that can defend, rebound, and do the dirty things. If love for that of to be a stretch 4 as well, but those dont exactly grow on trees. I'm ok with clarkes length because I think hes got good instincts and feet. Hopefully if we take him, Rosa's is smart enough to turn and extend his range to 3 a la siakam teenager siakam jade a lot of question marks, his offensive game developed after because he had the motor to impact the game right away.
It is one side of the ball, yes, but we proved to be damn near decent defensively with a healthy RoCo (taj helped too, but you're not replacing him in a draft). We need shooters the most. Look what happened when RoCo went out and Rose came back to earth. Bench or starter, we need 3 point threats.
For every Siakim or Gianni's there are 100 Bruno Caboclos. Clarke's profile is nowhere near theirs anyhow. If you're hoping for a 1 in a million lottery chance, then take the kid from France or maybe Rui, though I'd bet on Atlanta taking hihim
Nickeil is who I'm really hangimg y hat on. He plays defense well at 1-3 positions( likely just 1-2 in the nba), can playmake and handle well, finishes at the rim and mid, and can knock down 3s. He would be in a great position here under Saunders and with zero pressure to start. He would be a nice injection to our bench.
"Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat."
Remember how great and versatile defensively Jordan Bell was? He fell to the 2nd despite having far better measurements and hasn't done a whole lot yet. I know he's on GSW, but he still hasn't shown much when given court time.. I just don't see Clarke being worth the 11th.
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
monsterpile wrote:Did anyone see Clarke's measurements? If Lip isn't off the Clark bandwagon I'm gonna be giving him a hard time FOREVER about standing reach...ok who am I kidding I already do. It's just in good fun Lip. :) in all seriousness I'm gonna go against what I have said about other players not having some physical gifts but Clarke is older isn't a sure thing when it comes to defensive skill set and has the measurements of a SF. That's certainly a tougher sell. Tacko Fall has a 10'2 standing reach. LOL
I haven't seen Clarke's measurements yet. But I've read reports that he has short arms. Zion's also vertically challenged for a PF. Limited length works if paired with great athleticism. I haven't seen any official vertical leap for Clarke, but it's obvious he can jump out of the gym. Moreover, he gets off the floor quickly without having to gather himself. In that sense, he reminds of of John Collins. More than anything, I look at performance. In particular I like to see exceptional stats in at least one category. Clarke's 3.2 blocks per game stand out as exceptional as does his 68.7% field goal shooting and his 8.6 rebounds in 28 minutes per game. His age and lack of shooting range give me some pause, but otherwise, I like him as a prospect - in spite of his stub arms. :)
I understand the desire for Clarke, especially with how similar he is too Taj. But it needs to change.
The Wolves need to spread the floor and be able to feed KAT in the post, not force him to be our best stretch player..
Start drafting potential floor spreaders.
If KAT is our franchise player, then the organization needs to show it this year with who they draft/sign. Thibs' moves were an opposite direction from making KAT the focal point. Too many ball dominant/mid range wings and 4's who operate in the paint/mid range. You are not getting an instant starting help side pf defender who can also shoot the 3 in this draft. Go draft shooting and try to sign a stretch or defensive 4.
Thats one side of the ball. Defensively, we're absolutely need someone that can defend, rebound, and do the dirty things. If love for that of to be a stretch 4 as well, but those dont exactly grow on trees. I'm ok with clarkes length because I think hes got good instincts and feet. Hopefully if we take him, Rosa's is smart enough to turn and extend his range to 3 a la siakam teenager siakam jade a lot of question marks, his offensive game developed after because he had the motor to impact the game right away.
It is one side of the ball, yes, but we proved to be damn near decent defensively with a healthy RoCo (taj helped too, but you're not replacing him in a draft). We need shooters the most. Look what happened when RoCo went out and Rose came back to earth. Bench or starter, we need 3 point threats.
For every Siakim or Gianni's there are 100 Bruno Caboclos. Clarke's profile is nowhere near theirs anyhow. If you're hoping for a 1 in a million lottery chance, then take the kid from France or maybe Rui, though I'd bet on Atlanta taking hihim
Nickeil is who I'm really hangimg y hat on. He plays defense well at 1-3 positions( likely just 1-2 in the nba), can playmake and handle well, finishes at the rim and mid, and can knock down 3s. He would be in a great position here under Saunders and with zero pressure to start. He would be a nice injection to our bench.
"Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat."
Remember how great and versatile defensively Jordan Bell was? He fell to the 2nd despite having far better measurements and hasn't done a whole lot yet. I know he's on GSW, but he still hasn't shown much when given court time.. I just don't see Clarke being worth the 11th.
That's an interesting comp. Its worth mentioning Bell has some other issues off the court with the team etc. I'd guess that's part of the reason why he fell that some teams had some concerns based on what has happened since he was in the league. Maybe not (just speculating) but his attitude etc probably has kept him off the floor at times. He doesn't seem to play smart at times either when he is out there based on what I have gathered. It's not all bad but...that should be considered part of the equation for sure. You can see the talent there to have a real impact.
