Graham starting again vs kings

[kekgeek]

Bogdanovic shot it 28 times. Fuckin Ballhog cost the Kings the game. Often a teammate was wide open and he shot the ball instead.

Yikes. Didn't watch much of this one... but that has to be a career high for him, right?

Any word on "chemistry" issues in Sacramento? They were supposed to be better. I know not having Fox hurts a lot... but Hield has been horrific lately too.

Sac BIGS = 17 - 31 (60%)
Wings = 20 - 76 (29%)

I'm glad I couldn't get into this one and turned it off.



[Note: Dwayne Dedmon is barely a rotation guy now. He has to be potential trade bait right? Or did he just let himself go after signing the $40M deal this summer? Seems odd. To be fair, so many things about the Kings in the past 10+ years are really odd. It's not a good franchise.]

If you include this game where fox hurt he has missed 18 games this year what is huge.

Also Luke Walton changed there offense. They were #2 or 3 in pace last year. This year they are 28.

Yeah. I heard early on that they were playing slower... I would have thought that had changed. Seems like a strange move considering the team did pretty well last year.

Is the slower pace also attributed to Fox?

Ya I haven't watched a ton of kings games but have a feeling not having fox is a big part of it. Also they were terrible in the half court last year. They also try and get bagley going in the post and we know how hard that is with a player as talented as kat

Also who they spent money on last offseason in barnes, Ariza, dedmon, Joseph all haven't made big impact.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Bogdanovic shot it 28 times. Fuckin Ballhog cost the Kings the game. Often a teammate was wide open and he shot the ball instead.

Yikes. Didn't watch much of this one... but that has to be a career high for him, right?

Any word on "chemistry" issues in Sacramento? They were supposed to be better. I know not having Fox hurts a lot... but Hield has been horrific lately too.

Sac BIGS = 17 - 31 (60%)
Wings = 20 - 76 (29%)

I'm glad I couldn't get into this one and turned it off.



[Note: Dwayne Dedmon is barely a rotation guy now. He has to be potential trade bait right? Or did he just let himself go after signing the $40M deal this summer? Seems odd. To be fair, so many things about the Kings in the past 10+ years are really odd. It's not a good franchise.]

If you include this game where fox hurt he has missed 18 games this year what is huge.

Also Luke Walton changed there offense. They were #2 or 3 in pace last year. This year they are 28.

Yeah. I heard early on that they were playing slower... I would have thought that had changed. Seems like a strange move considering the team did pretty well last year.

Is the slower pace also attributed to Fox?

Apparently walton wants to work on defense first.

If they want to play a slow half court offense they can have teague.

[Lipoli390]

I agree with just about everything you said, Lip. My one exception is your bit about Gorgui Dieng being a piece for the future. I can't wait for him to be off this roster.

Cam - I can see a role for Gorgui with the Wolves beyond next season, but only on a cheaper contract. He always plays hard and shows a lot more toughness than just about anyone else on this roster. With Rubio gone, he's the only Wolves player who is able and willing to take a charge. He can hit mid-range shots reliably and seems to have made himself a credible threat from behind the arc. And as Abe pointed out, he's never had a negative VORP. Yes, he's slow-footed with a slow release on his shot. And he's not particularly strong. But in a limited role off the bench at the right price, I can see him as a net positive down the road. Having said all that, keeping him would NOT be a priority. :)

[kekgeek]

Apparently buddy hield is very frustrated with the kings organization after the loss

[Leado01]

I didn't watch the game. And I don't plan on watching the recording because I see nothing of value in this win. Five Wolves players played heavy minutes and at least 3 of those five (Teague, Covington and Graham) can't reasonably be considered part of this team's future if the organization is serious about becoming a contender. If you don't see Gorgui as part of the Wolves future, then Wiggins was the only player with heavy minutes tonight who could be considered a long-term building block. I haven't even mentioned Napier, another short-term body, logging 22 minutes. And what did this group do? They won by a single point in double OT against a lottery-bound team playing without its starting PG/best player for all but 2 minutes. None of our young guys - Okogie, Culver, KBD or Martin looked particularly good in the box score, although Okogie didn't look bad. I'd be interested in some observations on those guys from those who watched the game.

The Wolves would have been better off picking up their 12th consecutive loss tonight to continue building a stronger lottery position next Spring. But my hope is that Covington helped raise his trade value tonight. And I've never written off Gorgui as a potential longer-term piece. He's a fierce competitor with a nice mid-range jumper who takes charges and blocks shots. And we're seeing him extend his shooting beyond the arc. Another take-away is that Okogie is better coming off the bench, at least for now.

I truly hope some fans enjoyed the Wolves win tonight. I'm just not among them.

Okogie played a pretty good game. Defensively he had an Okogie game with damn good defense with a few complete lapses in common sense. Offensively he was one of the few players moving into the gaps and he got paid for it.

KBD was flat. His shot was off, and he gave up 6-8 second chance points by not playing stronger and meaner than he actually is.

Culver's game was probably his worst of the season. Ironically however, he did get down low on defense, box out, and help stop the bleeding of offensive rebounds.

Martin played a pretty good game defensively but was tentative and lost on offense.

Last night I actually wanted to see Okogi on the floor in the final minutes . . .  in part because it felt like there was very little to choose from and sometimes he creates something with his energy.

One more note, Vonleh had a pretty good game. He is a much better paint defender than our other options, and he's not a horrible passer. He's also pretty crafty around the rim.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I didn't watch the game. And I don't plan on watching the recording because I see nothing of value in this win. Five Wolves players played heavy minutes and at least 3 of those five (Teague, Covington and Graham) can't reasonably be considered part of this team's future if the organization is serious about becoming a contender. If you don't see Gorgui as part of the Wolves future, then Wiggins was the only player with heavy minutes tonight who could be considered a long-term building block. I haven't even mentioned Napier, another short-term body, logging 22 minutes. And what did this group do? They won by a single point in double OT against a lottery-bound team playing without its starting PG/best player for all but 2 minutes. None of our young guys - Okogie, Culver, KBD or Martin looked particularly good in the box score, although Okogie didn't look bad. I'd be interested in some observations on those guys from those who watched the game.

The Wolves would have been better off picking up their 12th consecutive loss tonight to continue building a stronger lottery position next Spring. But my hope is that Covington helped raise his trade value tonight. And I've never written off Gorgui as a potential longer-term piece. He's a fierce competitor with a nice mid-range jumper who takes charges and blocks shots. And we're seeing him extend his shooting beyond the arc. Another take-away is that Okogie is better coming off the bench, at least for now.

I truly hope some fans enjoyed the Wolves win tonight. I'm just not among them.

Okogie played a pretty good game. Defensively he had an Okogie game with damn good defense with a few complete lapses in common sense. Offensively he was one of the few players moving into the gaps and he got paid for it.

KBD was flat. His shot was off, and he gave up 6-8 second chance points by not playing stronger and meaner than he actually is.

Culver's game was probably his worst of the season. Ironically however, he did get down low on defense, box out, and help stop the bleeding of offensive rebounds.

Martin played a pretty good game defensively but was tentative and lost on offense.

Last night I actually wanted to see Okogi on the floor in the final minutes . . .  in part because it felt like there was very little to choose from and sometimes he creates something with his energy.

One more note, Vonleh had a pretty good game. He is a much better paint defender than our other options, and he's not a horrible passer. He's also pretty crafty around the rim.

And guess what has happened to our defense the last 5 games with KAT out and Vonleh back in the rotation? We have the 5th best Drtg in the league over that timeframe and that's with 4 out of 5 of those games on the road.

Of course the flipside is we have literally the worst offense in that same timeframe. We should be doing what a lot of folks thought should have happened at the beginning of the year - starting a KAT, Vonleh, Covington frontline.

[Monster]

First game I have watched in a while. Before the game started a friend from college messaged me that he was at the game (He is a King's fan). He was excited to see Wiggins he is still a fan of him. I messaged him today and all he really said that was interesting was he said he though Bogdonovic was going to be too expensive and he said he did think they should trade him. Now we just need GM Cam to steal him away!

Dieng's 3 point shooting has been good since the first month. There could be some value if he keeps it up. Meanwhile I want to see more from Vonleh. He isn't a star or anything but he does some good things out there. He feels like one of those depth guys that could be useful.

About the only other thing I'll mention is Wiggins had some really good defensive possessions.