lipoli390 wrote:I think Wiggins made a commitment to himself before the season that he wouldn't dunk anymore.
Can't wait until he no longer plays for us. One of the laziest olympic-caliber athletes ever, if there ever was such a thing. Got caught out of position multiple times on defense that first half. May be Ryan has to throw a hissy fit at him again to motivate him. But that'll only work once in a blue moon, as eventually Wiggins will just tune him out like he tunes everyone out eventually.
I feel the same way. It was excruciating watching him tonight as it has been so many nights at Target Center. I want him gone by the February trade deadline. Just get him out of here.
I know we are sort of sick of watching Wiggins play basketball but he is by far our 2nd best player. I mean he did have an efficient 22 pts and 3 rebs tonight. Coming off 2 really great games. I am fine with getting rid of Wiggins but feel like the anger is getting misplaced here.
I don't think it is. I think the lack of talent here is a given and understood. Too many nights he's part of the problem.
Im not a big Wiggins guy but he is 1 of 10 NBA players putting up 22.6 pts 5.1 rebs 3.6 asts on 44% shooting.
I feel like we are so sick of him any little thing he does wrong is put under a microscope. He's having a hell of a season.
He's terrible. He's just been a little less terrible this season. If he was making Covington's contract I wouldn't be so hard on him, but he's a MAX player and he sucks
I honestly want Wiggins to get traded just so I don't have to read the vitriol anymore. He's about #10 on our list of problems but gets 90% of the negativity. Please trade him so we can move on to the next guy who can't help KAT win.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I honestly want Wiggins to get traded just so I don't have to read the vitriol anymore. He's about #10 on our list of problems but gets 90% of the negativity. Please trade him so we can move on to the next guy who can't help KAT win.
Would you say Wiggins is a better player then KAT? The only reason Wiggins gets bashed on is because his effort is so low most of the time. The dude could legitimately be a top 5 player if he had the mentality of a Westbrook. But he is the polar opposite.
He's not a bad player he simply underperforms by his effort level and talent level. He's happy just getting paid and playing basketball. Winning and losing doesn't really matter, not that much to him.
KAT brings effort on the court most of the time, he simply has poor technique defensively and doesn't hustle back enough. I can't rag on a guy who is at least trying.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I honestly want Wiggins to get traded just so I don't have to read the vitriol anymore. He's about #10 on our list of problems but gets 90% of the negativity. Please trade him so we can move on to the next guy who can't help KAT win.
Would you say Wiggins is a better player then KAT? The only reason Wiggins gets bashed on is because his effort is so low most of the time. The dude could legitimately be a top 5 player if he had the mentality of a Westbrook. But he is the polar opposite.
He's not a bad player he simply underperforms by his effort level and talent level. He's happy just getting paid and playing basketball. Winning and losing doesn't really matter, not that much to him.
KAT brings effort on the court most of the time, he simply has poor technique defensively and doesn't hustle back enough. I can't rag on a guy who is at least trying.
It doesn't matter what I say. It's just that I'm one of the few who can judge him apart from his contract. Can't argue that he doesn't underperform to his talent level, this is true. I honestly don't know how much winning and losing matters to him, and neither do you. With all his flaws he's still a good basketball player having a good year. And I can accept him for that.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I honestly want Wiggins to get traded just so I don't have to read the vitriol anymore. He's about #10 on our list of problems but gets 90% of the negativity. Please trade him so we can move on to the next guy who can't help KAT win.
Would you say Wiggins is a better player then KAT? The only reason Wiggins gets bashed on is because his effort is so low most of the time. The dude could legitimately be a top 5 player if he had the mentality of a Westbrook. But he is the polar opposite.
He's not a bad player he simply underperforms by his effort level and talent level. He's happy just getting paid and playing basketball. Winning and losing doesn't really matter, not that much to him.
KAT brings effort on the court most of the time, he simply has poor technique defensively and doesn't hustle back enough. I can't rag on a guy who is at least trying.
It doesn't matter what I say. It's just that I'm one of the few who can judge him apart from his contract. Can't argue that he doesn't underperform to his talent level, this is true. I honestly don't know how much winning and losing matters to him, and neither do you. With all his flaws he's still a good basketball player having a good year. And I can accept him for that.
If winning and losing mattered he would put in the effort! It doesn't matter. Why should I cheer for a guy who cannot give 100 percent? We probably want the Wolves to win more then he does. The other issue is yes, you must judge him on his contract. Because he is paid to perform to that level. If the deal wasn't guaranteed he would be fired. In lose his job. That's the reality. Since the cap prevents the Wolves from spending unlimitedly as well, he is taking production from the team while not earning it. Essentially he is stealing money in a way. We should be able to fire him but we can't!
Good as in I think he has a positive value of replacement, I suppose you are right.
I'm not saying anything that I don't think is true. I wish he was better and I wish he had a killer mentality, but he doesn't. So we really have no chance to succeed unless he continues to improve (since he takes up more cap then he is worth) or is traded/let walk for better production.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I honestly want Wiggins to get traded just so I don't have to read the vitriol anymore. He's about #10 on our list of problems but gets 90% of the negativity. Please trade him so we can move on to the next guy who can't help KAT win.
Would you say Wiggins is a better player then KAT? The only reason Wiggins gets bashed on is because his effort is so low most of the time. The dude could legitimately be a top 5 player if he had the mentality of a Westbrook. But he is the polar opposite.
He's not a bad player he simply underperforms by his effort level and talent level. He's happy just getting paid and playing basketball. Winning and losing doesn't really matter, not that much to him.
KAT brings effort on the court most of the time, he simply has poor technique defensively and doesn't hustle back enough. I can't rag on a guy who is at least trying.
It doesn't matter what I say. It's just that I'm one of the few who can judge him apart from his contract. Can't argue that he doesn't underperform to his talent level, this is true. I honestly don't know how much winning and losing matters to him, and neither do you. With all his flaws he's still a good basketball player having a good year. And I can accept him for that.
If winning and losing mattered he would put in the effort! It doesn't matter. Why should I cheer for a guy who cannot give 100 percent? We probably want the Wolves to win more then he does. The other issue is yes, you must judge him on his contract. Because he is paid to perform to that level. If the deal wasn't guaranteed he would be fired. In lose his job. That's the reality. Since the cap prevents the Wolves from spending unlimitedly as well, he is taking production from the team while not earning it. Essentially he is stealing money in a way. We should be able to fire him but we can't!
Good as in I think he has a positive value of replacement, I suppose you are right.
I'm not saying anything that I don't think is true. I wish he was better and I wish he had a killer mentality, but he doesn't. So we really have no chance to succeed unless he continues to improve (since he takes up more cap then he is worth) or is traded/let walk for better production.
You can cheer for whoever you want.
We will have to agree to disagree on the contract thing. I don't pay him, nor did I make the decision to pay him. He received a market based contract. I honestly don't think about the contract when I watch him play. To me it's completely outside the boundaries of what kind of player he is. Just like I don't think about Giannis' contract when I watch him play. And we all know he is underpaid. If you need to blame someone for the contract it should be Taylor and Thibs.
Not really sure why we shouldn't view guys along with their contracts.
That's a big part about sports. And it has residual effects for the rest of the team.
But you're right... the massive overpay for Wiggins is on Taylor and Thibs.
Doesn't mean we should act like he's on the same level as Bates-Diop or anything.
