Dillon Brooks vs Wolves

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Reid's per 36 numbers (and yeah, I know the sample size is still really small):

PPG - 24.9
RPG - 8.6
APG - 3.0
BLK - 1.3
STL - 1.7
FG% - 42%
3PT% - 35%
TS% - 52%
D Rating - 99.5 (LOL, best on the team....for now)
Net Rating - +3.2


That's pretty impressive for a 20-year old undrafted rookie. Here are his G-League Per 36 minute numbers:

PPG - 21.5
RPG - 11.6
APG - 3.7
BLK - 2.3
STL - 1.8
FG% - 50.5%
3PT% - 38.6%
TS% - 62.5%
D Rating - 102.1 (2nd best of the regular rotation guys)
Net Rating - +2.5

When looking at his G-League numbers, it makes the NBA numbers seem a bit less fluke-y.

This kid should have been a lottery pick.

We have a mini-KAT on our hands in Reid.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Martin averaged 35% from behind the arc in his four years of college. He hit slightly over 36% of his threes in his senior season on relatively high volume. So he's proven to be a good (not great) perimeter shooter in college. But it's not his shooting that has impressed me since watching him in Summer League. It's his rebounding, strength, tenacity, toughness and skills. He has a better handle than Wiggins and is much stronger and more aggressive. He can score with either hand driving to the bucket and he rebounds his position really well. He and Nowell are the guys I want to see more of. At the same time, I want to see less Okogie and Teague.

I share your feelings of depression watching what Memphis is building compared to our situation. We were where Memphis is now a few years ago before Thibodeau and the Butler trade. I think the fact that we haven't become a contender reflects far more on Wiggins than on KAT. And ultimately, it falls on the organization, which has failed to assemble around KAT the level and blend of talent that would make this franchise a contender. Imagine things if this team had drafted Jamaal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, or John Collins. Or imagine what this team could be like in a year or two if the Wolves had the 2nd pick in last year's draft and took Ja Morant. And what if the Wolves had the good judgment to trade Wiggins two years ago when he still had substantial market value.

You know I've been a big Okogie fan, but he's really struggling right now. So I agree with you that the best thing to do now is to send him to the G-League to get his game back on track and bring up Nowell.

To be fair... 36% isn't all that great for a college kid with the shorter line. And those extra feet make a difference. The graveyard of NBA vagabonds who couldn't adapt to the extra distance is a pretty full.

As for Memphis. Chalk it up as yet another team that was better than the Wolves before the Wolves started their re-re-rebuild... and are already better than the Wolves again.

I mention it a lot. And it's no joke... it's 100% accurate... we root for the worst franchise in the NBA. The level of sheer ineptitude is unprecedented in NBA history. And unless we get really lucky in the draft lottery (again)... and we get really lucky to find a transcendent player in that draft... is there really a legit turning point in sight?

Sure, there are improvements will probably see along the margins. But when a team enters a season with two #1 picks and max contract guys and still suggests that it's in a multi-year rebuild... then sees regression from its 2018 1st round pick... while the 2019 draft pick it traded up to take can't hit 45% of his free throws...

... yikes.

[thedoper]

Martin averaged 35% from behind the arc in his four years of college. He hit slightly over 36% of his threes in his senior season on relatively high volume. So he's proven to be a good (not great) perimeter shooter in college. But it's not his shooting that has impressed me since watching him in Summer League. It's his rebounding, strength, tenacity, toughness and skills. He has a better handle than Wiggins and is much stronger and more aggressive. He can score with either hand driving to the bucket and he rebounds his position really well. He and Nowell are the guys I want to see more of. At the same time, I want to see less Okogie and Teague.

I share your feelings of depression watching what Memphis is building compared to our situation. We were where Memphis is now a few years ago before Thibodeau and the Butler trade. I think the fact that we haven't become a contender reflects far more on Wiggins than on KAT. And ultimately, it falls on the organization, which has failed to assemble around KAT the level and blend of talent that would make this franchise a contender. Imagine things if this team had drafted Jamaal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, or John Collins. Or imagine what this team could be like in a year or two if the Wolves had the 2nd pick in last year's draft and took Ja Morant. And what if the Wolves had the good judgment to trade Wiggins two years ago when he still had substantial market value.

You know I've been a big Okogie fan, but he's really struggling right now. So I agree with you that the best thing to do now is to send him to the G-League to get his game back on track and bring up Nowell.

To be fair... 36% isn't all that great for a college kid with the shorter line. And those extra feet make a difference. The graveyard of NBA vagabonds who couldn't adapt to the extra distance is a pretty full.

As for Memphis. Chalk it up as yet another team that was better than the Wolves before the Wolves started their re-re-rebuild... and are already better than the Wolves again.

I mention it a lot. And it's no joke... it's 100% accurate... we root for the worst franchise in the NBA. The level of sheer ineptitude is unprecedented in NBA history. And unless we get really lucky in the draft lottery (again)... and we get really lucky to find a transcendent player in that draft... is there really a legit turning point in sight?

Sure, there are improvements will probably see along the margins. But when a team enters a season with two #1 picks and max contract guys and still suggests that it's in a multi-year rebuild... then sees regression from its 2018 1st round pick... while the 2019 draft pick it traded up to take can't hit 45% of his free throws...

... yikes.

There hasn't been anyone left to fire for a while. This franchise has had an ownership problem since its inception. Taylor was an improvement along the margin and that slight positive movement created loyalty beyond anything he deserved. How fans or people in the Minnesota sports media still defend him is lunacy. We are stuck, if Taylor sells we move, if Taylor stays we stink.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Martin averaged 35% from behind the arc in his four years of college. He hit slightly over 36% of his threes in his senior season on relatively high volume. So he's proven to be a good (not great) perimeter shooter in college. But it's not his shooting that has impressed me since watching him in Summer League. It's his rebounding, strength, tenacity, toughness and skills. He has a better handle than Wiggins and is much stronger and more aggressive. He can score with either hand driving to the bucket and he rebounds his position really well. He and Nowell are the guys I want to see more of. At the same time, I want to see less Okogie and Teague.

I share your feelings of depression watching what Memphis is building compared to our situation. We were where Memphis is now a few years ago before Thibodeau and the Butler trade. I think the fact that we haven't become a contender reflects far more on Wiggins than on KAT. And ultimately, it falls on the organization, which has failed to assemble around KAT the level and blend of talent that would make this franchise a contender. Imagine things if this team had drafted Jamaal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, or John Collins. Or imagine what this team could be like in a year or two if the Wolves had the 2nd pick in last year's draft and took Ja Morant. And what if the Wolves had the good judgment to trade Wiggins two years ago when he still had substantial market value.

You know I've been a big Okogie fan, but he's really struggling right now. So I agree with you that the best thing to do now is to send him to the G-League to get his game back on track and bring up Nowell.

To be fair... 36% isn't all that great for a college kid with the shorter line. And those extra feet make a difference. The graveyard of NBA vagabonds who couldn't adapt to the extra distance is a pretty full.

As for Memphis. Chalk it up as yet another team that was better than the Wolves before the Wolves started their re-re-rebuild... and are already better than the Wolves again.

I mention it a lot. And it's no joke... it's 100% accurate... we root for the worst franchise in the NBA. The level of sheer ineptitude is unprecedented in NBA history. And unless we get really lucky in the draft lottery (again)... and we get really lucky to find a transcendent player in that draft... is there really a legit turning point in sight?

Sure, there are improvements will probably see along the margins. But when a team enters a season with two #1 picks and max contract guys and still suggests that it's in a multi-year rebuild... then sees regression from its 2018 1st round pick... while the 2019 draft pick it traded up to take can't hit 45% of his free throws...

... yikes.

There hasn't been anyone left to fire for a while. This franchise has had an ownership problem since its inception. Taylor was an improvement along the margin and that slight positive movement created loyalty beyond anything he deserved. How fans or people in the Minnesota sports media still defend him is lunacy. We are stuck, if Taylor sells we move, if Taylor stays we stink.

Those "the fans were terrible and never supported them and don't deserve a team" stories would be especially rich...

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

While I agree Taylor has been a problem, I don't think going forward it's as simple as, if Taylor = Owner, then we inevitably suck. For example, how come the Lynx haven't sucked? They were a dynasty for a stretch under his watch. Now he wasn't necessarily the direct cause of that, but he had to approve the hiring decisions that did put the right people in place to make that happen.

All Taylor has to do is make ONE good hire to potentially right the ship with the Wolves. Is Rosas potentially that guy? Time will tell.

[thedoper]

While I agree Taylor has been a problem, I don't think going forward it's as simple as, if Taylor = Owner, then we inevitably suck. For example, how come the Lynx haven't sucked? They were a dynasty for a stretch under his watch. Now he wasn't necessarily the direct cause of that, but he had to approve the hiring decisions that did put the right people in place to make that happen.

All Taylor has to do is make ONE good hire to potentially right the ship with the Wolves. Is Rosas potentially that guy? Time will tell.

High stakes finances have nothing to do with success in the WNBA. The leagues are two completely different businesses. Taylor offered Garnett a huge contract and then helped lead the charge to limit contract spending. He created a system of protection against himself because he had no idea what he was doing. Taylor has been front and center as the face of the "hard to do owners" in two labor negotiations. Not only has he lacked success, he has been the face of the Ownership interests and their bemoaning their position to the players in their labor disputes. On top of all that he openly shit on our only HOF player on his way out and he still loves giving impromptu interviews to discuss player's motivations. He also pretty well openly admitted to ignoring the franchise before Flip came back into the picture to "reinvigorate" him. It's as bad as it can be.

This market would be problematic for any owner, but the only potential way out is either a franchise saving draft pick (not happening with our draft record), running top notch efficient business on player development side (probably too late for this), or being so liberal and radical with spending policies that you had a way to level the playing field (the one time Taylor spent the Lux tax he said what a mistake it was the year after). Until the Rosas hire Taylor hadn't created a structure to address any of those things from what I can see. You're absolutely right to give some time on final judgement of Rosas. But Taylor's track record with the Wolves is brutal. I personally don't think we can carry his success with the Lynx to the NBA any more than we can extrapolate his success with greeting cards and doilies to the NBA.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

While I agree Taylor has been a problem, I don't think going forward it's as simple as, if Taylor = Owner, then we inevitably suck. For example, how come the Lynx haven't sucked? They were a dynasty for a stretch under his watch. Now he wasn't necessarily the direct cause of that, but he had to approve the hiring decisions that did put the right people in place to make that happen.

All Taylor has to do is make ONE good hire to potentially right the ship with the Wolves. Is Rosas potentially that guy? Time will tell.

High stakes finances have nothing to do with success in the WNBA. The leagues are two completely different businesses. Taylor offered Garnett a huge contract and then helped lead the charge to limit contract spending. He created a system of protection against himself because he had no idea what he was doing. Taylor has been front and center as the face of the "hard to do owners" in two labor negotiations. Not only has he lacked success, he has been the face of the Ownership interests and their bemoaning their position to the players in their labor disputes. On top of all that he openly shit on our only HOF player on his way out and he still loves giving impromptu interviews to discuss player's motivations. He also pretty well openly admitted to ignoring the franchise before Flip came back into the picture to "reinvigorate" him. It's as bad as it can be.

This market would be problematic for any owner, but the only potential way out is either a franchise saving draft pick (not happening with our draft record), running top notch efficient business on player development side (probably too late for this), or being so liberal and radical with spending policies that you had a way to level the playing field (the one time Taylor spent the Lux tax he said what a mistake it was the year after). Until the Rosas hire Taylor hadn't created a structure to address any of those things from what I can see. You're absolutely right to give some time on final judgement of Rosas. But Taylor's track record with the Wolves is brutal. I personally don't think we can carry his success with the Lynx to the NBA any more than we can extrapolate his success with greeting cards and doilies to the NBA.

Correct. The draft and top notch player development is what Rosas CAN influence and it can make a massive difference in results, regardless if we go over the lux tax or not.

All the other stuff you said about Taylor I can't argue with. It's also in the past at this point. But I don't blame anyone for being skeptical or down on the team, as I think we all share that in common to a degree. Heck, even 60WinTim appears to have given up!

[thedoper]

While I agree Taylor has been a problem, I don't think going forward it's as simple as, if Taylor = Owner, then we inevitably suck. For example, how come the Lynx haven't sucked? They were a dynasty for a stretch under his watch. Now he wasn't necessarily the direct cause of that, but he had to approve the hiring decisions that did put the right people in place to make that happen.

All Taylor has to do is make ONE good hire to potentially right the ship with the Wolves. Is Rosas potentially that guy? Time will tell.

High stakes finances have nothing to do with success in the WNBA. The leagues are two completely different businesses. Taylor offered Garnett a huge contract and then helped lead the charge to limit contract spending. He created a system of protection against himself because he had no idea what he was doing. Taylor has been front and center as the face of the "hard to do owners" in two labor negotiations. Not only has he lacked success, he has been the face of the Ownership interests and their bemoaning their position to the players in their labor disputes. On top of all that he openly shit on our only HOF player on his way out and he still loves giving impromptu interviews to discuss player's motivations. He also pretty well openly admitted to ignoring the franchise before Flip came back into the picture to "reinvigorate" him. It's as bad as it can be.

This market would be problematic for any owner, but the only potential way out is either a franchise saving draft pick (not happening with our draft record), running top notch efficient business on player development side (probably too late for this), or being so liberal and radical with spending policies that you had a way to level the playing field (the one time Taylor spent the Lux tax he said what a mistake it was the year after). Until the Rosas hire Taylor hadn't created a structure to address any of those things from what I can see. You're absolutely right to give some time on final judgement of Rosas. But Taylor's track record with the Wolves is brutal. I personally don't think we can carry his success with the Lynx to the NBA any more than we can extrapolate his success with greeting cards and doilies to the NBA.

Correct. The draft and top notch player development is what Rosas CAN influence and it can make a massive difference in results, regardless if we go over the lux tax or not.

All the other stuff you said about Taylor I can't argue with. It's also in the past at this point. But I don't blame anyone for being skeptical or down on the team, as I think we all share that in common to a degree. Heck, even 60WinTim appears to have given up!

Well good on you for being positive. There are a lot of marginal gains we've seen with Rosas. Wiggins is almost up to league average efficiency. Culver has just like 5 solid games in a row, which in historical Timberwolves sample size free analysis makes him an all-star. I think Rosas has the best of intentions and is still probably the best we could have done. Your way may be better. I'm just tired of getting burned - as I start preparing for the Vikes this weekend ;)

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

To be clear, I'm not necessarily positive. I'm just saying it's possible things could turn around under Taylor's watch and Rosas could be the guy.....Or not.

I guess I'm positive in a Wolves-ian sort of way in that Rosas hasn't shown me yet that he is incompetent (David Kahn) or ill-equipped from a managerial perspective (Thibs) to run a franchise. He seems like a modern-day, intelligent leader, but at the end of the day the proof will be in the talent he picks and how they develop. So yeah, him not totally screwing everything up is a Wolves fan's version of being positive. Give it another offseason and my tune may change!

As for the Vikes, I'm just going to assume they will lose, like I did against the Saints.