lipoli390 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Porter looks like a superstar. He was ours for the taking if we don't beat Denver in final game of year. F*ing Thibs!
Ya let's blame thibs for tying to win games
Sarcasm! But Thibs was a wrecking ball on the Franchise, you can't deny that.
Haha. Sorry hard to read sarcasm on this board. And we disagree on the thibs thing. No reason for both of us to ruin another thread. Haha
I didn't like Thibs the coach, but I absolutely hated the job he did as a GM. In a way, I hate him more than Kahn because Kahn had nothing to begin with but made lots of dumb moves, but before Thibs took over there was a lot of buzz that this team was poised to make a run at multiple titles once the Warrior Dynasty ended. Thibs is the Wrecking Ball. I wonder how we would have done with Buddy Hield and then Jonathan Isaac (we just had to move up one spot and Lavine was more than enough) or Markannen and keeping Ricky over Teague/Okogie.
Once again we'll never agree on the thibs thing. What is fine. I will never blame thibs adding an All NBA player. I know you like Rubio/ lavine/ Wiggins/markannan/ towns core. Still think that is a none playoff roster just because how bad defensively the wolves would be.
In the end we disagree on it. What's all good
I will blame Thibs for his short sighted mentality. I love Butler as a player, but he's for a team in win now mode, not for a young team like we had and I was unhappy when we made the deal. Thibs just wanted to pad his wins to keep his job. If we trade Cov, we may have virtually nothing to show for all the assets Thibs squandered.
Remember thibs had nothing to do with trading Jimmy away. It was Layden and Taylor.
We see things differently. If Taylor wanted to trade Jimmy earlier he should of fired thibs. I won't blame thibs for trying to keep his job and trying win games year 2 with Jimmy, nobody wants to get fired. (Thibs has a massive weakness for Jimmy, what cost him his job, thibs deserved to be fired but don't blame him for what he did)
"Don't blame him for what he did"? If we're not accountable for our own actions, then what are we accountable for? Look, I'm well beyond Thibodeau and interested only in what Rosas and his staff are doing. But Thibodeau traded for Butler when Butler was 6 years older than Towns and when the entire world knew that Butler did not do well with young players. Thibodeau also made that move without a plan to retain Jimmy. Then Thibodeau ignored all the early communication from Butler about his unhappiness. At that point, as the head of basketball operations, it was Thibodeau's obligation to either make Jimmy happy or find the highest value trade for him before Butler made any public trade demands, which would diminish his trade value. Far from being a meddling owner, Taylor allowed Thibodeau to do what he wanted until the situation became so untenable that he had to step in and make Thibodeau do what obviously had to be done. Thibodeau's massive weakness for Butler (as you put it) was so bad that he was clinging to Butler even after it was clear that keeping him wouldn't even help get wins. Of course, there was the Dunn pick over Murray and Hield and the Patton pick over Collins and Anunoby. There was the Teague signing, the Gorgui contract and the Crawford signing. The list goes on...
Thibodeau was a terrible PBO. But sadly, Flip wasn't much better - taking Bazz of Giannis and others while selling a first round pick that could have been used to take Gobert. David Kahn was a complete disaster as we all know. And McHale was bad as well, witness the Ebi pick and the Joe Smith debacle. We just have to hope that Rosas is much, much better. Taylor's failure as owner has been his failure to make smart hiring decisions for the PBO position. It's that simple. Those were Taylor's decisions and he should be blamed for what he did. Thibodeau's decision to trade for Butler and his pathetic handling of the Butler situation a year later as well as his decisions to draft Dunn and Patton were all things Thibodeau did. And yes, he should be blamed for every single one of those decisions.
Once again thibs made mistakes obviously. I will still trade for Jimmy 100 times out of 100. Also I still don't blame thibs for not trading butler. Thibs was on the hot seat coming off the best wolves season in 13 years. Wolves were a 3 seed when the wolves "big 3" was healthy and went into the last day of the regular season with a chance to still be the 4 seed. Thibs was on the hot seat for all that.
From thibs perspective how do you keep your job? You have to win basketball games. He trusted that he could get through to Jimmy and get him on the same page as him going forward. If he trades Jimmy in the offseason he would be fired right away because we will suck like we do now.
I don't blame thibs for trying to keep his job. You can't tell me Taylor didn't know what was going on. If Taylor wanted to trade Jimmy then he should of fired thibs in the offseason. Instead Jimmy made this organization look pathetic, like it is. And Taylor instead of firing thibs medeled again and was the one making calls for the Jimmy trade.
Thibs deserved to be fired, he lost control of this team. And damn I hate Jimmy with a passion but damn he was right, Kat and Wiggins are punks, while Kat and Wiggins look to miss the playoffs for their 4th and 5th year respectively Jimmy has his young unproven guys as the 2 seed out east.
I won't blame thibs for not firing himself and trading Jimmy in the offseason, even if it would have been better for the wolves organization at this time.
I also realize my opinion on this topic is in the minority. Im cool with that
