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[Coolbreeze44]

Thanks to Q for his thoughts. Like him I don't want to lose anyone from this forum. The reason I posted here is, let's be honest, I wanted it to be seen. I'm no smarter than anyone else here, but I wanted to give the membership something to think about. We all get our perspectives from different sources and I know a lot of Americans haven't been exposed to much differentiation.

Let's not continue this here. I'm not going to start it in the General thread but if someone wants to do that I will participate.

[TheFuture]

"People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam) nor
contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the
People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about
interest ...But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar
bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the
bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond
and an addi- tional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays
nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue
bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the
other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds
would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National
Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control
the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan". - THOMAS A. EDISON

Look up the four horsemen of banking.

[TheFuture]

People have been warning about the end of democracy after their side lost since the start of democracy.

Both sides are together. That is blatant. This has not been seen here before. We have a major issue.

[TheFuture]

WolvesFan 21, I'm not sure how the quotes you've cited or the excerpt about the CIA (source?) are relevant to the issue Cool has raised here. I read your earlier post suggesting that basically all elections are fraudulent, but let's focus on the ones Cool has highlighted here, the presidential election and the Georgia senatorial elections this year.

One way to think about an issue is to ask yourself what evidence, if it existed, would change your mind. For me, since I believe these elections were legit, one bit of evidence that might change my mind would be if there were clear video evidence of election counters intentionally destroying many ballots that they suspected would go for Trump. This would have to be video of these ballots being destroyed before the ballots themselves were first received, because they count all the ballots they have first, then open them and see who the votes were for. So if someone destroyed ballots for Trump after opening them and seeing who the ballots were for, the count would have been off and it would have triggered red flags. Video evidence is always tricky because it can easily take something out of context, so this video evidence would have to really be contextualized somehow. It should be clear who, when, and what exactly was happening and it should fit the description above. I've seen some random clips that purport to show this, but all of those I've seen have really been pulled out of context.

Another thing that might change my mind would be if longtime, legitimate nonpartisan election organizers who were heavily involved in the election testify that they witnessed, investigated, and discovered evidence of widespread voter fraud in their state. If the people running these elections produced legitimate official paperwork showing a significantly higher number of ballots were taken in than the ultimate number of votes, that might indicate that someone was destroying ballots after opening them. The fact that even Republican officials who oversaw these elections like Brad Raffensperger in Georgia https://apnews.com/article/trump-raffensperger-phone-call-georgia-d503c8b4e58f7cd648fbf9a746131ec9say that it didn't happen is strong evidence to me that there was no fraud. But if an unbiased official who managed or was heavily involved in these elections came out with evidence they were fraudulent, I would take that as evidence in favor of fraud having happened.

My question for Cool and those who think the elections were rigged is the same. What evidence, if it existed, would change your mind? I posed several possibilities in my thread of reasons why I'm convinced the elections were clean. I'm curious what you guys think of that. Does that make you second-guess yourself? If not, what evidence, if it existed, would make you think maybe the elections were not stolen?

Basically, the election itself doesn't matter. As FDR said, Presidents are selected, not elected.

The people above the GOV (Federal Reserve bankers) really MOSTLY control the GOV and the elections to the point that either "side" has to do as they want.

Cool's points don't even matter. The US has been a hostage to the bankers since 1913. We have been slaves to fictional money since then. Debt based since 1971.

There is nothing NEW going on that hasn't been for many decades. We have always been slaves to the self proclaimed elites and their fake money. The democracy has not ever been legitimate in my lifetime. That is the point. Money controls politics and politicians, not a vote.

So the quotes are outlining the BIG picture how things really work. From the fraudulent money we use to the fraudulent GOV we have.

That is all true. Bought, sold, conquered.

[TheFuture]

The question I have begun to ask myself even more the past few months is:

If this person (I'll use Cool as an example of a person I think is more than reasonably intelligent and of generally sound mind) believes something I believe is false what could there be that I am actually wrong about or perceive incorrectly? We have to be willing to question our positions and that's whether we are talking basketball or this the type of topics that come up in threads like this one.

Cool I appreciate you willing to share your perspective and your overall tone In doing so. My question is what are the solutions? When it comes to things typically termed "political" I find apathy is a big problem that occurs. Is there a way that people (like Drew said are looking at things from different views of reality) can work towards some sort of a common goal? I hope so. If nothing else sports should be an example of how people that are very different can interact with each other in a more than decent manner. I'm here willing to listen.

You have seen people decide on a solution this past year. Destruction without reason. I do not see it dwindling down to constructive conversation. That is scary to me.

[TheFuture]

I absolutely do NOT want to lose anyone from this board due to political/world events/religious type topics and discussions. I have engaged a bit previously in these topics, but have and will abstain moving forward.

Having said that, there are no moderators or anyone that has any access to become one (as far as I know), so people are totally free to post whatever they want whether me or anyone else likes it or not or agrees with it or not.

Therefore, I would agree with Cool and request kindly going forward that if people have an appetite to discuss and debate topics not related to sports, they should do it in the General Discussion section. I wish Cool would have done that to begin with instead of using the Timberwolves section.

So if this thread is to continue, I would kindly ask that someone starts a new one in the General Discussion section. Those of us not interested can opt out and don't have to view the thread or have it clutter the Wolves board threads. And let's keep the Wolves and other sports-related threads politics free!

Thanks all!

I understand your premise, but you know that nobody would have viewed this if Cool had first posted there. This is important, whether it is Wolves related or not. If you don't care for the topic, back out.

I personally do not care if someone is lost from this forum over an opinion shared by another poster. Be an adult, move on.

[Monster]

I made a thread in the General discussion Forum if anyone would like to post over there.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

People have been warning about the end of democracy after their side lost since the start of democracy.

Both sides are together. That is blatant. This has not been seen here before. We have a major issue.

Exactly

[SameOldNudityDrew]

I made a thread in the General discussion Forum if anyone would like to post over there.

Thanks monster!

Q, you are one of the people who I honestly respect the most on this board, and I don't want to participate in anything that would threaten the board. I hope you all read my thoughts earlier in this thread on why I do think it's worth trying to have a conversation here. But I'm happy to go over to that other thread to try it.

I honestly didn't know that general forum existed until now. Thanks again monster. I followed up on that post with a request to keep the discussion focused on the elections. Cool, Future, WolvesFan, and D-Loser, I see you are also bringing up other issues like communism, banking, or the second coming of Christ. I think we should leave that stuff out unless there's evidence that there's a direct connection to this election, otherwise I think the discussion would lose focus and I doubt it would be very useful. If you want to talk about that in another thread in the general forum, I might be interested in it, but probably less than this immediate question of these elections.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I made a thread in the General discussion Forum if anyone would like to post over there.

Thanks monster!

Q, you are one of the people who I honestly respect the most on this board, and I don't want to participate in anything that would threaten the board. I hope you all read my thoughts earlier in this thread on why I do think it's worth trying to have a conversation here. But I'm happy to go over to that other thread to try it.

I honestly didn't know that general forum existed until now. Thanks again monster. I followed up on that post with a request to keep the discussion focused on the elections. Cool, Future, WolvesFan, and D-Loser, I see you are also bringing up other issues like communism, banking, or the second coming of Christ. I think we should leave that stuff out unless there's evidence that there's a direct connection to this election, otherwise I think the discussion would lose focus and I doubt it would be very useful. If you want to talk about that in another thread in the general forum, I might be interested in it, but probably less than this immediate question of these elections.

Must be nice being able to tell everyone what box to put everything in and what you think the rules should be. I think I'll go ahead and decide for myself what the impacts of the election mean to me and my beliefs.