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[WildWolf2813]

Troy Weaver isn't being mentioned in these searches because he's not actively seeking those jobs unless the right opportunity opens up.

[Lipoli390]

Troy Weaver isn't being mentioned in these searches because he's not actively seeking those jobs unless the right opportunity opens up.

Troy Weaver has been seeking opportunities to move up for years. The Wolves are hiring the highest level position in an NBA organization - PBO. I'd be surprised if Weaver wouldn't be interested in the Wolves PBO position. The Wolves should be pursuing him.

[Monster]

Leading an organization at the top isn't just about whether or not you can spot talent. It's about actually having the ability to lead an organization effectively. If you are the right guy you can find the smart people to tell you who the talent is. What if you are smart about who to pick and getting the talent or what analytic numbers to crunch etc but you really aren't a person that can basically be the guy leading a billion dollar organization in a ridiculously competitive market? Obviously you gotta have some eye for talent and various other skills (It's a tough job) and all that but ultimately someone's ability to lead and their philosophy has to match with what you want to do or it won't work. It seems the Wolves are looking at some pretty good options and even outside the country club (!!!) which is encouraging. It's good because we are actually interviewing these candidates and they are also interested. I don't think the Wolves situation is as hopeless as some people think. Look at what Sean Marks has done with the nets and he started with a cap strapped team with next to nothing in terms of assets. The Wolves have Towns all their picks and some other pieces. A good GM that made the right moves could find a way to add to the roster and also move on from anything that doesn't fit. It is an important hire let's hope we get someone that is plenty competent.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

I'm still a Van Gundy fan. Stan for GM. Jeff to coach.

[thedoper]

I'm still a Van Gundy fan. Stan for GM. Jeff to coach.

Nice. Could you imagine? They'd probably hire Thibs as an assistant.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

I'm still a Van Gundy fan. Stan for GM. Jeff to coach.

Nice. Could you imagine? They'd probably hire Thibs as an assistant.

Haha. Is there a 3rd VanGundy? A Cooper Manning if you will?

[Lipoli390]

Leading an organization at the top isn't just about whether or not you can spot talent. It's about actually having the ability to lead an organization effectively. If you are the right guy you can find the smart people to tell you who the talent is. What if you are smart about who to pick and getting the talent or what analytic numbers to crunch etc but you really aren't a person that can basically be the guy leading a billion dollar organization in a ridiculously competitive market? Obviously you gotta have some eye for talent and various other skills (It's a tough job) and all that but ultimately someone's ability to lead and their philosophy has to match with what you want to do or it won't work. It seems the Wolves are looking at some pretty good options and even outside the country club (!!!) which is encouraging. It's good because we are actually interviewing these candidates and they are also interested. I don't think the Wolves situation is as hopeless as some people think. Look at what Sean Marks has done with the nets and he started with a cap strapped team with next to nothing in terms of assets. The Wolves have Towns all their picks and some other pieces. A good GM that made the right moves could find a way to add to the roster and also move on from anything that doesn't fit. It is an important hire let's hope we get someone that is plenty competent.

I get that, Monster. But I think the primary quality the Wolves should look for in hiring a PBO should be the quality this organization lacks the most -- and that's talent evaluation. We have a good relationship guy in Layden who is respected around the League by other organizations and player agents. And it's not that hard to find good cap and analytics guys to fill assistant GM roles in the front office.

Running an NBA front office starts with making sure the organization identifies and acquires the best talent and the best head coach to fit with that talent. That's such an overriding imperative for an NBA front office - especially for a mid-market team like the Wolves that depends so heavily on the draft and on spotting under-the-radar free agent talent. Unfortunately, the current Wolves organization has been particularly inept at identifying and acquiring talent. The most coveted executive job in the NBA is the PBO position. Even if working for the Wolves would not otherwise be particularly attractive organization to work for, the Wolves PBO position is going to be highly attractive because PBO positions are so coveted and there are so few such opportunties. In my view, we need to use the allure of that position to fill the organization's most important need.

Nevertheless, I agree that talent evaluation should not be the only quality the Wolves look for in filling the PBO position. Other qualities should include good communication skills both internally and externally, general intelligence and a clear sense of where the team is at with a strategic vision of how the team should move forward, including an understanding of where this team is at (rebuilding around KAT?) and a strategic vision of what type of team (types of players and style of play) to build around KAT and an understanding of the type of head coach who would fit that vision. It gives me no comfort that Taylor is going outside the Country Club. He did that with David Kahn - a smart guy with a law degree and organizational and leadership skills he apparently displayed running the D-League. But he thought Darko was the next Divac and hired Rambis to run an offense that only works for guys like Kobe and Jordan. So give me a guy who really understands basketball and excels at evaluating talent but who also has good communications skills and intelligence. I don't know who that guy is, but I know he's out there somewhere. It's not enough that someone worked for a successful NBA team as a GM or assistant GM unless you know his role in making decisions with that franchise. If, like Troy Weaver, you were the guy who recommended drafting Westbrook way higher than most draft boards had him, then I'm interested. If you just worked for the OKC organization in the #2 or #3 position and I don't know what you did or recommended while there, then I need to know a lot more.

[WildWolf2813]

Troy Weaver isn't being mentioned in these searches because he's not actively seeking those jobs unless the right opportunity opens up.

Troy Weaver has been seeking opportunities to move up for years. The Wolves are hiring the highest level position in an NBA organization - PBO. I'd be surprised if Weaver wouldn't be interested in the Wolves PBO position. The Wolves should be pursuing him.

Like I said, he's waiting for the right opportunity. Weaver turned down the GM job for the Utah Jazz to remain an assistant under Presti.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/232557993688969218?lang=en

He was linked to Washington, Atlanta, and Toronto and nothing came of it. If we hired him, great, but I doubt he'd take this job.


https://newsok.com/article/5556986/troy-weaver-content-as-thunder-assistant-general-manager


Good article from 2017 on Weaver

[Lipoli390]

Troy Weaver isn't being mentioned in these searches because he's not actively seeking those jobs unless the right opportunity opens up.

Troy Weaver has been seeking opportunities to move up for years. The Wolves are hiring the highest level position in an NBA organization - PBO. I'd be surprised if Weaver wouldn't be interested in the Wolves PBO position. The Wolves should be pursuing him.

Like I said, he's waiting for the right opportunity. Weaver turned down the GM job for the Utah Jazz to remain an assistant under Presti.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/232557993688969218?lang=en

He was linked to Washington, Atlanta, and Toronto and nothing came of it. If we hired him, great, but I doubt he'd take this job.


https://newsok.com/article/5556986/troy-weaver-content-as-thunder-assistant-general-manager


Good article from 2017 on Weaver

Wild - Great article. Thanks for posting. It's similar to other things I've read about Weaver. Among other things, he was reportedly the guy who sold Presti on drafting Westbrook much higher than other teams had him ranked in the draft. I'm not suggesting that Weaver would be an easy get for the Wolves. I'm just saying the Wolves should have him at or near the top of their list of prospective PBOs and should pursue him aggressively. And I say that because he's exactly what this organization needs - namely a front office executive who, as the article indicates, specializes "in piecing together a roster, in finding the right fits to click together."

Guys who can manage the salary cap are a dime a dozen as are guys with good organizational skills. Honestly, it's not that hard. The Wolves shouldn't have much difficulty finding guys with those skills to fill the GM and assistant GM positions. But guys with a special knack for evaluating talent and discerning the best fit or blend of talent with a track record to prove it are pretty rare. Those characteristics are actually more art or talent than skill. The only way for the Wolves to get that sort of special talent into their front office is to find that person among the pool of GMs and Assistant GMs who are currently #2, 3 or 4 in their respective organizations and offer them the top job to run the Wolves basketball operations. Weaver is one example of the type of guy the Wolves should be pursuing. I hope the Wolves pursue him along with other similar prospects. Ringer looks like someone the Wolves should consider, but based on what I've read about him, he doesn't seem like the ideal fit for the Wolves organization when considering what this organization most sorely needs.

[kekgeek]

He just declined the job