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[TRKO [enjin:12664595]]

I like the idea of adding the two or three great role players. Yeah our top three players are 21. Let them grow in their role. If we aren't at the level to add 2-3 bargain types then we aren't at the level to get the one Max guy to put us over the top.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I like the idea of adding the two or three great role players. Yeah our top three players are 21. Let them grow in their role. If we aren't at the level to add 2-3 bargain types then we aren't at the level to get the one Max guy to put us over the top.

Your last sentence makes zero sense. The guys that are going to be bargains this off-season are 8-15 on most rosters that are worth a shit, aka depth guys, and the others are unproven guys looking to get their shot. Those unproven guys could potentially be way better than their contracts look, but we already have six young guys trying to establish themselves in this league. We need stability every night. We need at least one veteran that makes everyone better, a player that boosts the entire team. That type of player isn't found on a four-year, $20M deal. We're going to have to pay handsomely to get one of those, and we should without question.

The Wolves only won 29 games this year and already have the future on the roster. Go ahead and get a serious "win now" player to help the transition of bottom feeder to contender. These cheap bench guys won't move the needle that much, if at all.

[kekgeek]

Horford is the only guy I would spend big money for (assuming Durant is impossible). People keep saying that we are not in position to add a max player but this year and next (next year is also dangerous because gorgui and shabazz could sign somewhere else before the wolves sign a max level talent meaning the wolves will lose cap space to match the offer) are the last year it can be done. We can't sign a max player 3 years down the road we won't have the cap space. Horford is the perfect fit he does everything we are missing. Also if our bigs towns/belly/Dieng/horford they can all play together, no combination dosen't work.

I just think it makes to much sense we are not over paying for role player we are adding an all star and that window of being able to add an all star level talent via free agency will be shut starting next year.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Horford is the only guy I would spend big money for (assuming Durant is impossible). People keep saying that we are not in position to add a max player but this year and next (next year is also dangerous because gorgui and shabazz could sign somewhere else before the wolves sign a max level talent meaning the wolves will lose cap space to match the offer) are the last year it can be done. We can't sign a max player 3 years down the road we won't have the cap space. Horford is the perfect fit he does everything we are missing. Also if our bigs towns/belly/Dieng/horford they can all play together, no combination dosen't work.

I just think it makes to much sense we are not over paying for role player we are adding an all star and that window of being able to add an all star level talent via free agency will be shut starting next year.

Bingo. Well said, kek.

[Monster]

I like the idea of adding the two or three great role players. Yeah our top three players are 21. Let them grow in their role. If we aren't at the level to add 2-3 bargain types then we aren't at the level to get the one Max guy to put us over the top.

Your last sentence makes zero sense. The guys that are going to be bargains this off-season are 8-15 on most rosters that are worth a shit, aka depth guys, and the others are unproven guys looking to get their shot. Those unproven guys could potentially be way better than their contracts look, but we already have six young guys trying to establish themselves in this league. We need stability every night. We need at least one veteran that makes everyone better, a player that boosts the entire team. That type of player isn't found on a four-year, $20M deal. We're going to have to pay handsomely to get one of those, and we should without question.

The Wolves only won 29 games this year and already have the future on the roster. Go ahead and get a serious "win now" player to help the transition of bottom feeder to contender. These cheap bench guys won't move the needle that much, if at all.

I sort of disagree and I am not opposed to signing a top level guy. I know Cam your perspective is different than some of us and I always respect that. I do think that some solid FA signings can absolutely help the young team move forward. I'd still probably shoot for a top FA and if that didn't work out right away go for some other guys. I can also see the path of starting out with some solid guys and targeting some young players with some upside still makes sense also. I was kinda joking about Portland earlier in one thread or another but they added ZERO top level guys last offseason while losing 2 prizes of FA and they were still a playoff team.

I actually have decent faith in Thibs and Layden to do some decent work in this area. It shouldn't be that hard. Get a top FA but if you strike out pick up a few guys that can actually play basketball and let's roll.

[TRKO [enjin:12664595]]

Our biggest impediment down the stretch of the season wasn't that three 20 year olds were carrying the load. It was due to lack of depth and coaching. The coaching is presumably fixed. Yes signing Horford gives us front court depth. I think the young starting five proved they can go toe to toe with anybody. Give them the keys to the car and put quality depth around them.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Our biggest impediment down the stretch of the season wasn't that three 20 year olds were carrying the load. It was due to lack of depth and coaching. The coaching is presumably fixed. Yes signing Horford gives us front court depth. I think the young starting five proved they can go toe to toe with anybody. Give them the keys to the car and put quality depth around them.

Al Horford doesn't just provide us depth. That's an understatement. If all I was asking for was depth, I would be advocating for the Wolves to sign Jon Leur for cheap. Horford's a multiple time All-Star, who by all accounts is a great teammate and leader, and is also a big time contributor both offensively and defensively.

I also don't see how you can use a 36-game sample in which the Wolves went 15-21 as your evidence on why the front office should be against signing a marquee player like Horford. The starting lineup wasn't the main cause for concern during that stretch, but to imply that it can't or shouldn't be improved is way wrong from my point of view.

People talk about how we're weak from 6-10 on the roster and want to get help there, but you have to remember that if you're able to upgrade in your 1-5 that someone gets bumped down into that bench mob. In this case, that's Dieng, which would be absolutely perfect.

Towns, Wiggins, and LaVine already have the keys to the car. I'm just suggesting that we upgrade the suspension to make the entire vehicle a better overall ride. You're suggesting that we change a couple tires.

[TRKO [enjin:12664595]]

Our biggest impediment down the stretch of the season wasn't that three 20 year olds were carrying the load. It was due to lack of depth and coaching. The coaching is presumably fixed. Yes signing Horford gives us front court depth. I think the young starting five proved they can go toe to toe with anybody. Give them the keys to the car and put quality depth around them.

Al Horford doesn't just provide us depth. That's an understatement. If all I was asking for was depth, I would be advocating for the Wolves to sign Jon Leur for cheap. Horford's a multiple time All-Star, who by all accounts is a great teammate and leader, and is also a big time contributor both offensively and defensively.

I also don't see how you can use a 36-game sample in which the Wolves went 15-21 as your evidence on why the front office should be against signing a marquee player like Horford. The starting lineup wasn't the main cause for concern during that stretch, but to imply that it can't or shouldn't be improved is way wrong from my point of view.

People talk about how we're weak from 6-10 on the roster and want to get help there, but you have to remember that if you're able to upgrade in your 1-5 that someone gets bumped down into that bench mob. In this case, that's Dieng, which would be absolutely perfect.

Towns, Wiggins, and LaVine already have the keys to the car. I'm just suggesting that we upgrade the suspension to make the entire vehicle a better overall ride. You're suggesting that we change a couple tires.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. I think getting 2-3 very good role players makes us a much better team.

As far as sample size, I'm using the sample size of when LaVine and Dieng were inserted to the lineup. Is the sample size small? Yeah, but personally it gave me reason to believe if we build a top bench and with natural player progression through experience and growth we will be a much better team. Another point on sample size, you used the same post all star break sample size with Ricky's shooting to prop him up. So we have to be consistent here. Horford is a really good player. He would make us a better team. I don't think he is worth a max deal, but in free agency you have to overpay and he will definitely get a max deal. I'm not dead set against getting him at all. I just think the best way to improve the team with the long term big picture in mind is to add 2 nice vet role player types.

[Duke13]

Cam, I don't think anybody is disagreeing with you about Horford's ability to improve the team, we'd be a better team with him. The argument is whether this team needs a max player and whether he's the right max player to get, and if this is the right time to go all in. All three of those point debatable and subjective. You think we have a soft frontline and need help rebounding, we do. But spending 30 mil a year on a guy the wrong side of 30 is a risk.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Not the same thing. I would have stood by Rubio even without the "hot" shooting to end the season because of all the other things he does really well. There's years of evidence on that, not just 36 games. I wouldn't let 36 games alter my decision making when you could get an All-Star player that fits perfectly with the rest of the team. That's super risky, IMO.

And you have to realize that that starting lineup that included Dieng was awful defensively, and not effective against teams with bigger frontcourts or teams that had a play-making PF. Dieng was unplayable against Golden State when we beat them. Horford/Towns would be really hard to stop, but still be able to match up with any frontcourt in the league. That's ideal.