NBA Draft: Combine and Workouts

[Monster]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not too many prospects don't bring Shooting or defensive potential. Lol

Thibs seems to be enjoying himself. I got a kick out a few thing from this short clip.

1. He is rocking a Patagonia fleece thing or whatever. Seems like something a little more cool and laid back than what a total crazed out basketball junky would wear of you get what I mean.

2. He mentions Bazz as part of the young guys.

3. He butchers Bjelica's name but I like that he mentioned him.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

[Monster]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

This is why Thibs said where they are likely to pick they will have slot of options.

[kekgeek]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

[Monster]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

I disagree a little bit depending on height and overall length measurements. For example when I saw the height and reach of Glenn Robinson III I still wanted him but wasn't quite as enamoured with him because he wasn't really that impressive physically especially for the type of player I thought he would excell at being. Some bigger players have lost a little shine when you find out they are really only like 6'8" would you thought they were like 6'10" etc. I stayed true to the thought that I don't think a couple inches is a deal breaker but it can't just be dismissed either.

[kekgeek]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

I disagree a little bit depending on height and overall length measurements. For example when I saw the height and reach of Glenn Robinson III I still wanted him but wasn't quite as enamoured with him because he wasn't really that impressive physically especially for the type of player I thought he would excell at being. Some bigger players have lost a little shine when you find out they are really only like 6'8" would you thought they were like 6'10" etc. I stayed true to the thought that I don't think a couple inches is a deal breaker but it can't just be dismissed either.

I agree should have said if there is a bit difference in height it matters some but not a ton to me more of a confirmation. Like when ricky said that wade might go in the top ten now because of how he did at the combine in my opinion a player shouldn't move closer to 10 spots because of combine

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

I disagree a little bit depending on height and overall length measurements. For example when I saw the height and reach of Glenn Robinson III I still wanted him but wasn't quite as enamoured with him because he wasn't really that impressive physically especially for the type of player I thought he would excell at being. Some bigger players have lost a little shine when you find out they are really only like 6'8" would you thought they were like 6'10" etc. I stayed true to the thought that I don't think a couple inches is a deal breaker but it can't just be dismissed either.

I agree should have said if there is a bit difference in height it matters some but not a ton to me more of a confirmation. Like when ricky said that wade might go in the top ten now because of how he did at the combine in my opinion a player shouldn't move closer to 10 spots because of combine

I don't know that Wade Baldwin cracks top ten, but I have read some people think he might. Even before the combine there were some who thought Baldwin was a top 14 pick. I think 10-16 is the range I see him going.

[kekgeek]

Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

I disagree a little bit depending on height and overall length measurements. For example when I saw the height and reach of Glenn Robinson III I still wanted him but wasn't quite as enamoured with him because he wasn't really that impressive physically especially for the type of player I thought he would excell at being. Some bigger players have lost a little shine when you find out they are really only like 6'8" would you thought they were like 6'10" etc. I stayed true to the thought that I don't think a couple inches is a deal breaker but it can't just be dismissed either.

I agree should have said if there is a bit difference in height it matters some but not a ton to me more of a confirmation. Like when ricky said that wade might go in the top ten now because of how he did at the combine in my opinion a player shouldn't move closer to 10 spots because of combine

I don't know that Wade Baldwin cracks top ten, but I have read some people think he might. Even before the combine there were some who thought Baldwin was a top 14 pick. I think 10-16 is the range I see him going.

I am not saying you are the one who is increasing his value. Just my opinion a guy shouldn't move up multiple picks because of the combine. I do think the combine serves a purpose but I think the value the info provides from the combine should be move of a confirmation/need a second look than a actual moving tool

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

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Thibs was interviewed at the Combine by ESPN. He was asked what the needs were and he said "shooting and defense". http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2016/05/12/20160512-draft-combine-thibodeau.nba/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tough to identify a guy near the top that does both well, that's for sure. Simmons does neither well. Ingram is too skinny and young to be an NBA-caliber defender at this stage. Murray and Hield can shoot, but don't project well defensively.

Kris Dunn is intriguing because he has great potential defensively and has showed signs of being able to shoot, but the sample size on 3's isn't great and his FT % (which can often be a proxy for long-range shooting potential) is very mediocre. Oh, and he turns the ball over a bunch, which Thibs also keeps emphasizing.

Luwawawu or Baldwin perhaps? Seem like we draft too high for them.

From a positional need perspective, we do need another SG. I could see Hield or Murray being the pick because they definitely check the shooting box and provide depth behind LaVine and Wiggins (if we go out and get a vet SF). But can you imagine a Tyus Jones/Jamal Murray/Shabazz perimeter trio off the bench? Yikes that is god-awful defensively.

Ingram and Bender should be very good on both sides of the ball. Dunn can play two ways, but he does have to reduce his turnovers and improve his shooting. Jaylen Brown has the physical tools to do well on both sides, but he is still pretty raw. Luwawu has good two way potential, but he too is a bit raw. Wade Baldwin had a great combine in terms of testing and had better than expected measurements including wingspan and hand size. Some people think Baldwin might even crack the top ten now.

Just my opinion I don't think anything that we learn at the combine should move players in rankings

I disagree a little bit depending on height and overall length measurements. For example when I saw the height and reach of Glenn Robinson III I still wanted him but wasn't quite as enamoured with him because he wasn't really that impressive physically especially for the type of player I thought he would excell at being. Some bigger players have lost a little shine when you find out they are really only like 6'8" would you thought they were like 6'10" etc. I stayed true to the thought that I don't think a couple inches is a deal breaker but it can't just be dismissed either.

I agree should have said if there is a bit difference in height it matters some but not a ton to me more of a confirmation. Like when ricky said that wade might go in the top ten now because of how he did at the combine in my opinion a player shouldn't move closer to 10 spots because of combine

I don't know that Wade Baldwin cracks top ten, but I have read some people think he might. Even before the combine there were some who thought Baldwin was a top 14 pick. I think 10-16 is the range I see him going.

I am not saying you are the one who is increasing his value. Just my opinion a guy shouldn't move up multiple picks because of the combine. I do think the combine serves a purpose but I think the value the info provides from the combine should be move of a confirmation/need a second look than a actual moving tool

Well I think this draft is kind of unusual in that once you get past the first few picks there is a lot of parity. When I compare some of the mocks out there you see very divergent opinions on quite a few players. And since some of these guys have never had official measurements, that's a new piece of information that affects their value.

By the way, Baldwin was ranked in DraftExpress' mock at 15 before the combine, so moving up a few spots isn't unusual if the combine helps your cause.