Grading Rosas

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I agree with a lot of this... but I have some differences when it comes to drafting. It's a tough one to grade because you usually don't know right away. That being said...

... I think it's becoming quite possible to see Culver as a guy who does NOT get a rookie extension. And considering the Wolves gave up a decent asset to take him at #6... that's a double whammy of a miss.

... Until Bolmaro arrives... Meh. Unlike his last stint in EuroLeague... at least he's averaging more points than fouls this time around. Barely. But he's not expected to be in the NBA anytime soon. So in the meantime... I consider it a miss if another asset could help this team win now. (As you acknowledge elsewhere, Rosas roster/salary cap issues are part of the reason he went with a draft and stash player...

... It's objectively false to say only LaMelo Ball has been better than Edwards. There's no world where Haliburton hasn't proven to be a better player thus far. Then you have guys like Quickley, Bane, Vassel and Pritchard. Then, guys like Williams, Tyrese Maxey and others. It's just a tough/impossible argument to make that Edwards has been better.

But they're rookies. And Edwards has shown signs of growth. If that continues, especially with KAT back in the lineup, we have legit reasons for optimism. I definitely get the hope with Edwards... but that doesn't excuse his overall negative value thus far, even with recent spate of better games.


Fair all that your said that is why I said "for sure" I should of added Haliburton with Ball. The rest of the players I can make a argument that Edwards is better then the rest (you might disagree but I can't make an argument against Ball and Haliburton but I can with every other rookie)




That's a tough sell. Can I hear one of those arguments...

We do agree that Edwards has more potential than most, or almost all of them. That's an entirely difference discussion though.

I think I'm more coming if you are redrafting who would you be taking #1. Obviously your point is very valid when it comes to helping your team win now its hard to argue
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WolvesFan21 wrote:The one things to keep in mind is that Haliburton is a year and a half older then Ant as well.



Remember how cute it was when we talked ourselves into this sort of take 15 years ago... 10 years ago... 9 years ago... 8 years ago... 7 years ago...

LOL.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:The one things to keep in mind is that Haliburton is a year and a half older then Ant as well.



Remember how cute it was when we talked ourselves into this sort of take 15 years ago... 10 years ago... 9 years ago... 8 years ago... 7 years ago...

LOL.


Ant is actually showing real progress though, you better hop on the bus soon or you'll miss the ride.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:The one things to keep in mind is that Haliburton is a year and a half older then Ant as well.



Remember how cute it was when we talked ourselves into this sort of take 15 years ago... 10 years ago... 9 years ago... 8 years ago... 7 years ago...

LOL.


Ant is actually showing real progress though, you better hop on the bus soon or you'll miss the ride.



I'm teasing you about the age angle we've literally used as an excuse 3,278 times already.

As for Edwards... I'm optimistic. The more he passes... the more optimistic I am.
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Ant is slowly improving throughout the year. We have such a horrific history developing our own draft picks into quality shooters (unless they were already naturally gifted shooters like KAT) that I'm hesitant to trust what my eyes are seeing from the last 7 or 8 games, but Ant is getting to be "good enough" from outside the arc that I think he can keep a defense honest and continue to work on his REAL strength, which is getting into the paint off the bounce.

"The system" Rosas and Saunders are implementing, in it's idealized form, involves all 5 guys out on the perimeter doing a bunch of weaving and dribble hand offs, with the paint wide open for cutters or dribble drive penetration. If you look at our roster, Ant is really the only guy on it with elite dribble-drive capabilities. That's why ultimately I see him in the starting lineup with KAT, DLO, and Beasley. That lineup gives him the most space to operate in and should open things up for the other guys as well.
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Q12543 wrote:Ant is slowly improving throughout the year. We have such a horrific history developing our own draft picks into quality shooters (unless they were already naturally gifted shooters like KAT) that I'm hesitant to trust what my eyes are seeing from the last 7 or 8 games, but Ant is getting to be "good enough" from outside the arc that I think he can keep a defense honest and continue to work on his REAL strength, which is getting into the paint off the bounce.

"The system" Rosas and Saunders are implementing, in it's idealized form, involves all 5 guys out on the perimeter doing a bunch of weaving and dribble hand offs, with the paint wide open for cutters or dribble drive penetration. If you look at our roster, Ant is really the only guy on it with elite dribble-drive capabilities. That's why ultimately I see him in the starting lineup with KAT, DLO, and Beasley. That lineup gives him the most space to operate in and should open things up for the other guys as well.



Ideally... that's four talented players... each with a bit of a specialty. Various skills among talented players.

On paper, it sounds like it could work. Hopefully, we get to see it in action sooner than later. And hopefully, the group gels.
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