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[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I think Kyrie is overrated. The Cavs legit sucked before Lebron got there. Kyrie is a perfect number 2 compliment to Lebron. Put him in that number 1 spot and his poor decision making and ball hogging really hurts your team's ability to win. Life next to Lebron is easy. If Kyrie was really that good, that team wouldn't fall apart when Lebron rests like it consistently has over the least 3 years.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think Kyrie is overrated. The Cavs legit sucked before Lebron got there. Kyrie is a perfect number 2 compliment to Lebron. Put him in that number 1 spot and his poor decision making and ball hogging really hurts your team's ability to win. Life next to Lebron is easy. If Kyrie was really that good, that team wouldn't fall apart when Lebron rests like it consistently has over the least 3 years.

Yes. And no. The "Kyrie as the guy" track record is not good. But it's tough for any team to win without LeBron James.

1. Obviously, he's super good.
2. But, the gravitational pull/void he leaves behind is often overlooked. Any team with James is built to play a specific style. Take out the guy responsible for that style and everything changes. Suddenly, guys put in places perfect to their skillset can't take advantage of it. We see it elsewhere, too. Look at OKC last season. Westbrook would leave and the team would struggle mightily. The Suns had a similar problem at times during the Nash era.

While I agree that Irving might be a bit overrated as THE guy on a team, there aren't too many other guys ranked below him who are THE guy on their teams either (IT and Lillard).

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I think Kyrie is overrated. The Cavs legit sucked before Lebron got there. Kyrie is a perfect number 2 compliment to Lebron. Put him in that number 1 spot and his poor decision making and ball hogging really hurts your team's ability to win. Life next to Lebron is easy. If Kyrie was really that good, that team wouldn't fall apart when Lebron rests like it consistently has over the least 3 years.

Yes. And no. The "Kyrie as the guy" track record is not good. But it's tough for any team to win without LeBron James.

1. Obviously, he's super good.
2. But, the gravitational pull/void he leaves behind is often overlooked. Any team with James is built to play a specific style. Take out the guy responsible for that style and everything changes. Suddenly, guys put in places perfect to their skillset can't take advantage of it. We see it elsewhere, too. Look at OKC last season. Westbrook would leave and the team would struggle mightily. The Suns had a similar problem at times during the Nash era.

While I agree that Irving might be a bit overrated as THE guy on a team, there aren't too many other guys ranked below him who are THE guy on their teams either (IT and Lillard).

It's not the same scenario as OKC though. OKC lost it's Lebron (KD), replaced him with an existing guy on the team and still got a 6 seed in the West because of Westbrook. I think that the Cavs would be a 7 or 8 seed if they lost Lebron because Kyrie is an awful defender who doesn't make anyone around him better on either end of the court. Frankly they shouldn't be a sub .500 team without Lebron when they have Kyrie and Love still playing. If Kyrie is really that good they should be able to at least hold .500 in the terrible East when Lebron is out and they usually can't even do that. LeBron is great. When you have 3 "stars" you should be able to tread water when one goes down.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think Kyrie is overrated. The Cavs legit sucked before Lebron got there. Kyrie is a perfect number 2 compliment to Lebron. Put him in that number 1 spot and his poor decision making and ball hogging really hurts your team's ability to win. Life next to Lebron is easy. If Kyrie was really that good, that team wouldn't fall apart when Lebron rests like it consistently has over the least 3 years.

Yes. And no. The "Kyrie as the guy" track record is not good. But it's tough for any team to win without LeBron James.

1. Obviously, he's super good.
2. But, the gravitational pull/void he leaves behind is often overlooked. Any team with James is built to play a specific style. Take out the guy responsible for that style and everything changes. Suddenly, guys put in places perfect to their skillset can't take advantage of it. We see it elsewhere, too. Look at OKC last season. Westbrook would leave and the team would struggle mightily. The Suns had a similar problem at times during the Nash era.

While I agree that Irving might be a bit overrated as THE guy on a team, there aren't too many other guys ranked below him who are THE guy on their teams either (IT and Lillard).

It's not the same scenario as OKC though. OKC lost it's Lebron (KD), replaced him with an existing guy on the team and still got a 6 seed in the West because of Westbrook. I think that the Cavs would be a 7 or 8 seed if they lost Lebron because Kyrie is an awful defender who doesn't make anyone around him better on either end of the court. Frankly they shouldn't be a sub .500 team without Lebron when they have Kyrie and Love still playing. If Kyrie is really that good they should be able to at least hold .500 in the terrible East when Lebron is out and they usually can't even do that. LeBron is great. When you have 3 "stars" you should be able to tread water when one goes down.

And I think Kyrie and Love would be a better than .500 team without James. The team would prepare and plan and find players to play a different style.

I doubt Kevin Love would still be the Ryan Anderson type player standing in the corner... he'd probably have more of a role like he did in MN. With James, it makes sense for Love to play out there.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Kyrie requested a trade. We'll get to see what he looks like as the guy on another team.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Kyrie requested a trade. We'll get to see what he looks like as the guy on another team.

What is his deal? He wants to be "the man?" Fine, let him go lead Orlando or somebody and lead them to perpetual first round exits in the weak East. Why would anybody rather have that than perpetually making the finals?

This is like the anti-Durant move. Durant's move was kind of weak because that team was already so good without him, and he was so close to beating them with his old team, but at least I can appreciate that he's willing to share the spotlight (and the money) to play with great, unselfish teammates. Kyrie is already on a great team and he wants off because of his ego? I don't see that as respectable, I just see that as dumb and selfish.

Also, what's with this timing? He did this AFTER the draft and free agency was basically over, basically meaning the Cavs will have very few options to trade him and likely will have to keep him, ensuring that his request is going to be a cloud that follows that team until he leaves. It's like the Dwight situation. Totally self-inflicted by Kyrie. That guy can make some unbelievable scoring plays, but he doesn't make his team significantly better in other ways, and he just screwed that team whether they trade him or not.

The LeBron free agency watch just got a little more interesting. Paul George and Westbrook both hitting free agency next year as well. Hmmmmm . . . things could get really interesting next offseason.

[BloopOracle]

Kyrie is now Marbury 2.0

[kekgeek]

Reports are the wolves are 1 of 4 teams that kyrie wants to be traded to

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Kyrie requested a trade. We'll get to see what he looks like as the guy on another team.

What is his deal? He wants to be "the man?" Fine, let him go lead Orlando or somebody and lead them to perpetual first round exits in the weak East. Why would anybody rather have that than perpetually making the finals?

This is like the anti-Durant move. Durant's move was kind of weak because that team was already so good without him, and he was so close to beating them with his old team, but at least I can appreciate that he's willing to share the spotlight (and the money) to play with great, unselfish teammates. Kyrie is already on a great team and he wants off because of his ego? I don't see that as respectable, I just see that as dumb and selfish.

Also, what's with this timing? He did this AFTER the draft and free agency was basically over, basically meaning the Cavs will have very few options to trade him and likely will have to keep him, ensuring that his request is going to be a cloud that follows that team until he leaves. It's like the Dwight situation. Totally self-inflicted by Kyrie. That guy can make some unbelievable scoring plays, but he doesn't make his team significantly better in other ways, and he just screwed that team whether they trade him or not.

The LeBron free agency watch just got a little more interesting. Paul George and Westbrook both hitting free agency next year as well. Hmmmmm . . . things could get really interesting next offseason.

The timing is too bad because a Kyrie for CP3 swap would have been ideal to see CP3 on the big stage in a finals. I think he has a bad rap for early playoff exits and he's a damn good player who deserved a better shot at a title. He probably has that in Houston now, but I always thought Kyrie for CP3 made sense since Lebron went back to Cleveland.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Reports are the wolves are 1 of 4 teams that kyrie wants to be traded to

Hard pass from me. If he doesn't want to play with Lebron, why would he want to play next to Jimmy and Towns (assuming Wiggins would have to go in a deal)? Send him to Sacramento.