lipoli390 wrote:Aaron Gordon? No thank you. He's averaged 12.7 points on less than 45% field-goal shooting and 32% accuracy behind the arc. He's averaged less than 7 rebounds, less than 1 steal and less than 1 block over his career. Maybe he has great advanced defensive stats, but I haven't checked and those stats are sometimes misleading. Meanwhile, Gordon is having perhaps his worst season statistically since his rookie year and there's no sign of an upward trajectory. This team has been a poor rebounding team even with KAT and a poor defensive team with or without KAT. I don't think Gordon would help with rebounding and I don't know how much he would help defensively. He's certainly not impressive on the offensive end. And he doesn't look like a player who improves.
What we do with our picks should ultimately depend on where we're picking and who's available when we're on the clock. But I wouldn't give up our own pick for Gordon and I'd be reluctant to deal our Brooklyn pick for him either. I'd rather keep Johnson for the last year of his deal and either keep our picks or look at trades for players no named Aaron Gordon.
lipoli390 wrote:Aaron Gordon? No thank you. He's averaged 12.7 points on less than 45% field-goal shooting and 32% accuracy behind the arc. He's averaged less than 7 rebounds, less than 1 steal and less than 1 block over his career. Maybe he has great advanced defensive stats, but I haven't checked and those stats are sometimes misleading. Meanwhile, Gordon is having perhaps his worst season statistically since his rookie year and there's no sign of an upward trajectory. This team has been a poor rebounding team even with KAT and a poor defensive team with or without KAT. I don't think Gordon would help with rebounding and I don't know how much he would help defensively. He's certainly not impressive on the offensive end. And he doesn't look like a player who improves.
What we do with our picks should ultimately depend on where we're picking and who's available when we're on the clock. But I wouldn't give up our own pick for Gordon and I'd be reluctant to deal our Brooklyn pick for him either. I'd rather keep Johnson for the last year of his deal and either keep our picks or look at trades for players no named Aaron Gordon.
Agreed. No on Gordon
Does anyone have the desire to look up the amount Gordon has played at PF and SF during his career? That would certainly effect the rebounding numbers. I was thinking Gordon might be similar to Thad young in impact. That's honestly a pretty good player but one you only give up and pay so much for.
It all comes down to what it would cost to get him. He's a small 4 who's never really been able to play there and he's on a team who's playing slow (27th in pace this year). We're 5th in pace which could unlock a little more of his potential as an athlete. He's not a shooter and not a rebounder, but he has the size and athleticism we need to cover these elite wings in our conference and keeps our vision of small ball alive. If you could get him for a Culver or Okogie and the late first from Brooklyn I think that'd be worth it, but nothing more.
I still think the guy to keep a really close eye on is Jarred Vanderbilt. He had another "do shit" game in Iowa yesterday, scoring 18 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 blocks in only 23 minutes off the bench. Why he's coming off the bench and not starting I have no clue. You just look at him and he immediately sticks out as an NBA-caliber body and athlete. He also has decent handles and floor vision. I mean, he might have the highest ceiling of any of our recent draft picks and 2-way guys.
Q12543 wrote:I still think the guy to keep a really close eye on is Jarred Vanderbilt. He had another "do shit" game in Iowa yesterday, scoring 18 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 blocks in only 23 minutes off the bench. Why he's coming off the bench and not starting I have no clue. You just look at him and he immediately sticks out as an NBA-caliber body and athlete. He also has decent handles and floor vision. I mean, he might have the highest ceiling of any of our recent draft picks and 2-way guys.
Q, can you give us your All-Do Shit Team? Just the wolves, current and/or Iowa.
Q12543 wrote:On current roster? Honestly, there aren't enough to fill a 5-man unit. James Johnson, Jarred Vanderbilt, and Josh Okogie. But that's it.
I think those are the three, although I see Beasley as a borderline do-shit guy with his intensity and hustle. He was a good rebounding in college and he's shown signs of the same since arriving here. He gets after loose balls and I think he'll start to force more turnovers. J-Mac is also a borderline do-shit player. I think Spellman has some of that in him too, but I wonder if we'll ever see him play in a Wolves uniform.
Im the guy who brought up Gordon so let me explain myself. One of the reasons why I brought up the name is because it was reported during the trade deadline the Wolves inquired about Gordon. Now does that mean the wolves have legit interest or is it we inquired about him like probably the majority of players in the NBA.
The reason I am interested in Gordon is he can rebound, pass and a really good defender at the 4. I believe he is sort of like Draymond (not saying he is Draymond) in that Gordon is not good enough to lead a team if he is the most talented player but if he is surrounded by talented players, he can excel at the things that he does well. Can play great defense, roll hard to the lane, be a good passer at the 4, rebounds well enough, is not a terrible shooter. He is still only 24 and fits the narrative of building Towns and Russell. I feel like Gordon is a swiss army knife and well excel when he is offensive option #4 instead of #1 or 2 like he is with the Magic.
I also feel like this draft is really weak (or flat), of the guys who could be drafted high. I like Wiseman but how does Wiseman fit in todays NBA, an energy defensive big who dosen't shoot. Outside of Gobert there aren't Centers who can't shoot that are successful in the NBA and I don't know if that is worth the #1 pick and the Wolves don't want to play 2 bigs. Edwards has motivation issues even though talented. Ball is banged up, defensive effort issues and is he more of PG then SG. Toppin will already be 22 when drafted. Hayes is a PG, we have a max PG, I don't know anything about Avdija, Cole Anthony is a PG who has been inefficient. Haiburton has athletic issues even though talented.
I just think it is really going to be hard to find a player better then Gordon in the draft. I think the wolves have near as good of chance finding a better player with the Nets pick as the Wolves pick.
Gordon might not be that player but I am huge in trying to trade the wolves pick instead of taking no great prospect high.
