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[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

GS is gonna be a top 4 team next year pending no more extended time missed due to injuries. They still have the two best shooters in NBA history and that's not something that goes away with age. Draymond has always been a glue guy so of course he doesn't look great gluing together G Leaguers instead of superstars. They are a regular season team now though like Houston as they will score in bunches, but come playoff time just like in the Cleveland finals they lost they are gonna struggle with the teams who have bigger physical players who can get away with more on Steph. I would expect them to win high 40's to low 50's next year.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

GS is gonna be a top 4 team next year pending no more extended time missed due to injuries. They still have the two best shooters in NBA history and that's not something that goes away with age. Draymond has always been a glue guy so of course he doesn't look great gluing together G Leaguers instead of superstars. They are a regular season team now though like Houston as they will score in bunches, but come playoff time just like in the Cleveland finals they lost they are gonna struggle with the teams who have bigger physical players who can get away with more on Steph. I would expect them to win high 40's to low 50's next year.

Maybe it all comes together for the Warriors, but I'm doubting it. They've lost or traded away piece after piece to where they have their "core" players and then basically nothing else.

Also, Draymond Green didn't look that great gluing last year's team together either and that one had a healthy trio of star players plus supporting pieces. One could argue Kevon Looney had a bigger impact than Green did last season.

Time will tell. Let's collectively hope the Warriors give Green anything over $20-million annually as that will be the final nail in the coffin that was their dynasty as far as I'm concerned.

[AbeVigodaLive]

GS is gonna be a top 4 team next year pending no more extended time missed due to injuries. They still have the two best shooters in NBA history and that's not something that goes away with age. Draymond has always been a glue guy so of course he doesn't look great gluing together G Leaguers instead of superstars. They are a regular season team now though like Houston as they will score in bunches, but come playoff time just like in the Cleveland finals they lost they are gonna struggle with the teams who have bigger physical players who can get away with more on Steph. I would expect them to win high 40's to low 50's next year.

Maybe it all comes together for the Warriors, but I'm doubting it. They've lost or traded away piece after piece to where they have their "core" players and then basically nothing else.

Also, Draymond Green didn't look that great gluing last year's team together either and that one had a healthy trio of star players plus supporting pieces. One could argue Kevon Looney had a bigger impact than Green did last season.

Time will tell. Let's collectively hope the Warriors give Green anything over $20-million annually as that will be the final nail in the coffin that was their dynasty as far as I'm concerned.

That's a very bold take for the regular season last year... I don't see how it's even arguable when we're talking the postseason.

Green's numbers went up significantly across the board.

13 ppg
10.1 reb
8.5 ast
1.5 blk
1.5 stl
49.8% fg

Looney shot awesome (69%)... but he was a 7/5 guy...

[Monster]

There is no legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character. I know we have a very limited sample size of college games from him, but his numbers in those games were elite. I recall that KG had no college games under his belt when the Wolves drafted him.

Cam's already stated my view of his talent. I'd say he's the only player in this draft who stands out as having superstar potential based on his size and athleticism. I haven't seen any serious questions about his passion for basketball or his motor. In my view, any team that passes him over in the draft will regret it. The Wolves should grab him if he's available and not look back.

Aren't passion, motor, and character different things? I think there's legitimacy in wondering if someone embroiled in a controversy who sued the NCAA has character issues. It may be unfounded based on the truth of the situation, but its certainly not illegitimate. I hope he does great and proves to be an upstanding citizen, but theres enough reasons for legitimate skepticism about his character.

"No legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character" that's going too far Lip IMHO. There is too much there not to be some sort of red flag. It shouldn't just be dismissed. If you don't think it's worth not taking him above other guys then that's fine but this issue is there and it did cost him basically playing a season in college. That's some sort of a problem.

I was wrong on taking a swing at guys like McCants and Bazz where we drafted them. Meanwhile people on this board and and fans and league executives dismissed Josh Jackson's issues as nothing that big and the Suns picked the guy 4th overall and IMHO there were some questions about his game also...not u like the guys I was wrong about earlier. That was a complete failure of a pick for the Suns. Of course the funny thing is that the reason Bazz was a bad pick had little to do with the other issues it was only basketball stuff and there were questions about that which is likely a bigger reason he feel.

To me the bottom line is that if you are serious about evaluating a prospect EVERYTHING should be considered and nothing dismissed.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

There is no legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character. I know we have a very limited sample size of college games from him, but his numbers in those games were elite. I recall that KG had no college games under his belt when the Wolves drafted him.

Cam's already stated my view of his talent. I'd say he's the only player in this draft who stands out as having superstar potential based on his size and athleticism. I haven't seen any serious questions about his passion for basketball or his motor. In my view, any team that passes him over in the draft will regret it. The Wolves should grab him if he's available and not look back.

Aren't passion, motor, and character different things? I think there's legitimacy in wondering if someone embroiled in a controversy who sued the NCAA has character issues. It may be unfounded based on the truth of the situation, but its certainly not illegitimate. I hope he does great and proves to be an upstanding citizen, but theres enough reasons for legitimate skepticism about his character.

"No legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character" that's going too far Lip IMHO. There is too much there not to be some sort of red flag. It shouldn't just be dismissed. If you don't think it's worth not taking him above other guys then that's fine but this issue is there and it did cost him basically playing a season in college. That's some sort of a problem.

I was wrong on taking a swing at guys like McCants and Bazz where we drafted them. Meanwhile people on this board and and fans and league executives dismissed Josh Jackson's issues as nothing that big and the Suns picked the guy 4th overall and IMHO there were some questions about his game also...not u like the guys I was wrong about earlier. That was a complete failure of a pick for the Suns. Of course the funny thing is that the reason Bazz was a bad pick had little to do with the other issues it was only basketball stuff and there were questions about that which is likely a bigger reason he feel.

To me the bottom line is that if you are serious about evaluating a prospect EVERYTHING should be considered and nothing dismissed.

You intentionally or unintentionally just compared a guy in Josh Jackson that had multiple run-ins with the police while at Kansas, and a complete head case in Rashad McCants who had several off-court incidents while at North Carolina to include academic fraud, to a guy in James Wiseman that otherwise is a good citizen/person but accepted money in high school to move locations and play for NBA legend Penny Hardaway. Like, do you realize what a red flag is? Or is everything apples to apples to you guys?

I'm not completely dismissing Wiseman's suspension, but I do find it silly if you think it in any way supersedes his talent, measurables, ability, and production even in a limited sample size. I can give you an incredibly long list of successful NBA and NFL stars who either openly accepted money or allegedly accepted money that they shouldn't have. It's much more difficult to attempt to do the same thing for guys with psychological issues or incidents involving the police.

In the words of Chris Carter: "Come on, man."

[WildWolf2813]

I don't care if he has a sketchy character (I don't think he does at all and I don't knock him for what happened at Memphis). This team overvalues it enough as is. Jarrett Culver has a squeaky clean character, yet I don't know how many people here still consider him remotely a part of the future. If Culver played like a ROY candidate but was a total jerk, we'd take that instead.


That said, the motor is absolutely something to monitor, not just because he has to work on that, but also because this team absolutely does not know how to get the best out of players with low motors.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Gotta agree... run-ins with the law or violent acts are a far cry from being less evasive (or more disingenuous) at cheating than other recruits.

I mean Rashad McCants was literally the devil. There's no way Wiseman is Satan.

I simply don't want to draft the guy because I don't see the fit. I'd like the Wolves to trade down if they end up near the top. But that seems to be a minority opinion.

[Monster]

There is no legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character. I know we have a very limited sample size of college games from him, but his numbers in those games were elite. I recall that KG had no college games under his belt when the Wolves drafted him.

Cam's already stated my view of his talent. I'd say he's the only player in this draft who stands out as having superstar potential based on his size and athleticism. I haven't seen any serious questions about his passion for basketball or his motor. In my view, any team that passes him over in the draft will regret it. The Wolves should grab him if he's available and not look back.

Aren't passion, motor, and character different things? I think there's legitimacy in wondering if someone embroiled in a controversy who sued the NCAA has character issues. It may be unfounded based on the truth of the situation, but its certainly not illegitimate. I hope he does great and proves to be an upstanding citizen, but theres enough reasons for legitimate skepticism about his character.

"No legitimate basis for questioning Wiseman's character" that's going too far Lip IMHO. There is too much there not to be some sort of red flag. It shouldn't just be dismissed. If you don't think it's worth not taking him above other guys then that's fine but this issue is there and it did cost him basically playing a season in college. That's some sort of a problem.

I was wrong on taking a swing at guys like McCants and Bazz where we drafted them. Meanwhile people on this board and and fans and league executives dismissed Josh Jackson's issues as nothing that big and the Suns picked the guy 4th overall and IMHO there were some questions about his game also...not u like the guys I was wrong about earlier. That was a complete failure of a pick for the Suns. Of course the funny thing is that the reason Bazz was a bad pick had little to do with the other issues it was only basketball stuff and there were questions about that which is likely a bigger reason he feel.

To me the bottom line is that if you are serious about evaluating a prospect EVERYTHING should be considered and nothing dismissed.

You intentionally or unintentionally just compared a guy in Josh Jackson that had multiple run-ins with the police while at Kansas, and a complete head case in Rashad McCants who had several off-court incidents while at North Carolina to include academic fraud, to a guy in James Wiseman that otherwise is a good citizen/person but accepted money in high school to move locations and play for NBA legend Penny Hardaway. Like, do you realize what a red flag is? Or is everything apples to apples to you guys?

I'm not completely dismissing Wiseman's suspension, but I do find it silly if you think it in any way supersedes his talent, measurables, ability, and production even in a limited sample size. I can give you an incredibly long list of successful NBA and NFL stars who either openly accepted money or allegedly accepted money that they shouldn't have. It's much more difficult to attempt to do the same thing for guys with psychological issues or incidents involving the police.

In the words of Chris Carter: "Come on, man."

As you may have noticed from my post I mentioned those guys as 2 players that had issues I was wrong about and thought it made sense to take a chance on their talent and mthen one I was absolutely right about. I wanted to show I was wrong and right about talented players with issues. Yes McCants and Jackson has more issues than Wiseman (Bazz situation is probably more similar). I said EVERYHING has to be taken in account. Cam it felt to me that you were basically dismissing the issues Wiseman has had in the past and only looking at his talent. I'll take you are your word that you aren't and I'd guess you are strongly taking the side of his talent which I respect your take on talent and opinion in general. I'm not dismissing his talent either although as I have said multiple times I haven't dug him or really many of he prospects much yet. I've posted a couple times in this thread basically giving Wisemen the benefit of the doubt, defending him and feeling bad for the guy.

League executives are going to have plenty of resources to figure out how they want to feel about these situations he was involved in. I simply can't dismiss them as nothing. If he is clearly the most talented guy based on what I know about this stuff then...yeah I'd probably pick him but I have a lot more research to do on this draft class and there is some more data (basketball games) to gather first. I do find it harder to get excited about that this year in general. :(

[kekgeek]

I think they are going to trade the pick.

First they will go after Booker.

But my projection is the wolves will trade the pick for Aaron Gordon. And he will be the wolves future 4.

[Monster]

I think they are going to trade the pick.

First they will go after Booker.

But my projection is the wolves will trade the pick for Aaron Gordon. And he will be the wolves future 4.

Aaron Gordon is REALLY good at coming up 2nd.