Free Agents - Who do you target?

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I kinda forget about Ingles, but he would be an (almost) ideal candidate next to Wiggins. Defends, shoots, handles, and doesn't need to score a lot to have an impact on the game. Man, I was sleeping on him, but he would be a great addition.

Indeed. And Jamychal.

What are you willing to pay those guys to get them away from their teams? I like both but I worry it's gonna cost enough money Millsap and Ibaka start looking like guys we should pay and I am gonna say here and now we should not pay either of those guys (Millsap and Ibaka) big money.

It's a great question, monster, and I can only give you a strategy...not a dollar amount. Layden needs to earn his salary here by coming up with the upper end we can afford to pay without risking losing any of our big 3 if they all pan out. Thibs and Layden need to proforma what the roster might look like in two years...who they want to keep, who they want to let go, and who they want to add. Then, they need to estimate what the cap and lux threshold will be then, and determine how far Glen and his minority investors are willing to go over that threshold. That will determine what we can pay a free agent this year. It's a math exercise (with some estimation involved), and I'm guardedly optimistic our management team is pretty good at it because I think they went through the sane exercise last year...resulting in some free agent discipline that looks very good a year later.

If we're talking about the five possible SF candidates I mentioned above, I think we actually may be in a favorable position vis a vis other teams. We would be offering each of those guys a chance to join a roster that some say has the best young talent in the league, and the chance to be the starting forward...something they are not doing on their current teams. That's a pretty attractive offer, as long as we can make the money part work.

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I like your list LST, although I'm not so sure about CJ Miles. I'd may be put Thabo in his place.

Jon K mentioned Simmons on his podcast with Souhan, but it feels like the recency effect kicking in on that one.....his regular season was pretty underwhelming.

One thing I like about guys like Simmons (and JaMychal Green too - the Memphis PF) is how these guys fought and scrapped their way onto NBA rosters, and not just any NBA roster, but winning programs in Memphis and San Antonio. That has to appeal to Thibs. We have one fighter on the team right now in my opinion and that's Dunn. We could use a couple of other guys that don't mind eating tacks for breakfast if that's what it takes to get better.

[Monster]

I kinda forget about Ingles, but he would be an (almost) ideal candidate next to Wiggins. Defends, shoots, handles, and doesn't need to score a lot to have an impact on the game. Man, I was sleeping on him, but he would be a great addition.

Indeed. And Jamychal.

What are you willing to pay those guys to get them away from their teams? I like both but I worry it's gonna cost enough money Millsap and Ibaka start looking like guys we should pay and I am gonna say here and now we should not pay either of those guys (Millsap and Ibaka) big money.

It's a great question, monster, and I can only give you a strategy...not a dollar amount. Layden needs to earn his salary here by coming up with the upper end we can afford to pay without risking losing any of our big 3 if they all pan out. Thibs and Layden need to proforma what the roster might look like in two years...who they want to keep, who they want to let go, and who they want to add. Then, they need to estimate what the cap and lux threshold will be then, and determine how far Glen and his minority investors are willing to go over that threshold. That will determine what we can pay a free agent this year. It's a math exercise (with some estimation involved), and I'm guardedly optimistic our management team is pretty good at it because I think they went through the sane exercise last year...resulting in some free agent discipline that looks very good a year later.

If we're talking about the five possible SF candidates I mentioned above, I think we actually may be in a favorable position vis a vis other teams. We would be offering each of those guys a chance to join a roster that some say has the best young talent in the league, and the chance to be the starting forward...something they are not doing on their current teams. That's a pretty attractive offer, as long as we can make the money part work.

To clarify my latest post here was referring to the RFA Green and Ingles.

Good post. I'm sure Thibs and Layden are going to be plenty prepared.

[Monster]

I like your list LST, although I'm not so sure about CJ Miles. I'd may be put Thabo in his place.

Jon K mentioned Simmons on his podcast with Souhan, but it feels like the recency effect kicking in on that one.....his regular season was pretty underwhelming.

One thing I like about guys like Simmons (and JaMychal Green too - the Memphis PF) is how these guys fought and scrapped their way onto NBA rosters, and not just any NBA roster, but winning programs in Memphis and San Antonio. That has to appeal to Thibs. We have one fighter on the team right now in my opinion and that's Dunn. We could use a couple of other guys that don't mind eating tacks for breakfast if that's what it takes to get better.

Mike Scott has his legal issues behind him. He could be a solid bench forward that can take and make 3's and seems like when I watched him play wasn't just going through the motions. I would think he is a guy we could get fairly cheap. Not a priority type guy but could be plenty useful if he can play like he did for a couple years with the Hawks.

If you want guys with more potential than just rotation guys RFA starts looking like the way to get the younger players. The problem there is you may have to pay a premium and in some cases you are paying a little. It for some hope they are more than what they showed or they are what they showed for maybe just a season. If Thibs and Layden can identify some of the right players to go after this offseason I think they could find some worthwhile players that fit with the guys they have that could be good values.

I want a guy that can handle the ball and shoot. I'd be curious what kind of money it would take to get Trey Burke (depending on the draft). I think he could play next to a bunch of Wolves. His defense probably sucks but I'm not sure there are many combo guard that can shoot are very good in that regard.

Jodie Meeks is another guy that intrigues me and if Miami decides they want lots of cap space and let's go of Ellington I would be interested depending on price.

[KiwiMatt]

Monster - I hope you mean Alec Burc instead of Trey Burke. Trey's numbers have regressed since his rookie season, except his shooting percentage (which was an anomaly this season and hardly credible in the 12mpg he got). Brandon 'freaking' Jennings pushed ahead of him in the Washington rotation.

I'd prefer to Tyus Jones being our 3rd PG any day of the week.

[Monster]

Monster - I hope you mean Alec Burc instead of Trey Burke. Trey's numbers have regressed since his rookie season, except his shooting percentage (which was an anomaly this season and hardly credible in the 12mpg he got). Brandon 'freaking' Jennings pushed ahead of him in the Washington rotation.

I'd prefer to Tyus Jones being our 3rd PG any day of the week.

Nope I'm talking Trey. His shooting has improved the last 2 years. What they had him do with the Wizards was just play. He was a combo guard not a PG. That was probably why they got Jennings (plus Jennings used to be a legit starting PG talent) and Jennings was racking up assists for the Wizards during the regular season. Look I thought Burke was vastly overrated on that draft and laughed at how he went on to shoot the ball not much better than Rubio despite being supposedly a scoring PG his first couple seasons. Now the guy has been able to be a more efficient player the last couple years and I am considering him as a possible rotation combo guard who also happens to have a decent chunk of NBA experience as well going into his 5th season and he turns 25 in November. I'm not looking to pay him much but it's a guard league and the guy has some skills to score the ball and create a bit.

[kekgeek]

Monster - I hope you mean Alec Burc instead of Trey Burke. Trey's numbers have regressed since his rookie season, except his shooting percentage (which was an anomaly this season and hardly credible in the 12mpg he got). Brandon 'freaking' Jennings pushed ahead of him in the Washington rotation.

I'd prefer to Tyus Jones being our 3rd PG any day of the week.

Nope I'm talking Trey. His shooting has improved the last 2 years. What they had him do with the Wizards was just play. He was a combo guard not a PG. That was probably why they got Jennings (plus Jennings used to be a legit starting PG talent) and Jennings was racking up assists for the Wizards during the regular season. Look I thought Burke was vastly overrated on that draft and laughed at how he went on to shoot the ball not much better than Rubio despite being supposedly a scoring PG his first couple seasons. Now the guy has been able to be a more efficient player the last couple years and I am considering him as a possible rotation combo guard who also happens to have a decent chunk of NBA experience as well going into his 5th season and he turns 25 in November. I'm not looking to pay him much but it's a guard league and the guy has some skills to score the ball and create a bit.

If we are going to take a flyer on a young gaurd it would be Ian Clark for me

[Crazysauce]

I second the ian clark vote. Everytime i see that kid he is just beasting. Im a fan.

[Monster]

I second the ian clark vote. Everytime i see that kid he is just beasting. Im a fan.

Yeah it's a good suggestion. He had an even better year than the previous year. I wonder what kind of money he is going to get now.

[Monster]

In the latest Dun'd on podcast they talked about the Bucks offseason. Some talk always that were somewhat interesting.

They thought there was a good chance that Snell would come back to the Bucks because they thought the contract range he would be offered was 10-13 million and the Bucks would probably do that. They didn't seem to think Thibs had any interest in Snell which was interesting. They went through some of the teams with cap room and whether or not they thought those teams would want Snell and try and pay to get him. They didn't come up with many matches.

They said the Bucks were going to have a tricky task ahead trying to stay out of the Lux tax because even with some guys coming off the cap the next 3 years another player would be there to replace as a guy they need to pay. They said they may look to unload guys like Henson and Hawes if anyone would take them. They could t see a scenario where Monroe would opt out because it's unlikely anyone would want to pay him and have a bigger role than he has right now on a team that's good.

So because of their cap situation the Bucks probably can't afford to sign anyone for much money beyond a 1 MAYBE 2 year deal. I thought that was interesting because it's something to consider for the Wolves how to balance all of this even if you are willing to go a little ways into the lux tax. They said they did a great job of correcting their mistake of signing Plumblee dumping him for shorter contracts.