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Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."
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60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time, I get that he projects to,be bad at everything but shooting but why try and rear down the one elite skill he has,by attempting to compare white shooters who don't even play the same position. Come on.
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BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't take guys closing out fast on him off the dribble... (3) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.

There seems to be some questions with him about all three.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.


It matters when they can't defend him on the other end, the smaller guy has to play defense too. Markkanen will just shoot over them its not that hard
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BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.


It matters when they can't defend him on the other end, the smaller guy has to play defense too



Yes. That's part of my point. Maybe Markkenan can shoot over everybody on the perimeter. But guys, even with a height disadvantage, can take away some of his outside shooting prowess by overplaying him out there.

That's why he needs to be able to be able to hurt those types of guys inside so teams can't simply go small vs. the Wolves and negate Markkenan offensively and exploit him defensively.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.


It matters when they can't defend him on the other end, the smaller guy has to play defense too



Yes. That's part of my point. Maybe Markkenan can shoot over everybody on the perimeter. But guys, even with a height disadvantage, can take away some of his outside shooting prowess by overplaying him out there.

That's why he needs to be able to be able to hurt those types of guys inside so teams can't simply go small vs. the Wolves and negate Markkenan offensively and exploit him defensively.


I don't see them affecting a quick release from a 7 footer very well, thats why I think the Ryan Anderson claims are ridiculous. Of course you can play a wing on a 6'8 dude. Ryan also has an extremely slow release as well, not as bad as Gorgui but it is subpar.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:Saw a tweet quoting Thibs that he wants a tough, shot blocking center next to KAT. That should all but end the Markkanen talk as he is none of the above lol. Again, nothing but the best from Chad Ford tying us to another stretch 4 because he has no information regarding who our team actually wants.



So either Thibs wants to zig when everybody else is zagging... or he's really behind the times.


How can you say he's behind the times when very good teams like LAC, Utah, SA and Memphis are built like that? GS is the only successful small ball team in the league. Teams like SA and CLE only bust it out when it's needed against GS. Otherwise they play 2 bigs most of the time. Small ball is overrated as a necessary way to build. Only 3 teams are good at it in the whole league and they happen to have most of the best players in the league to do it at such a high level. Just because they are the 3 best teams right now doesn't mean that's the only way to build your team. Plenty of other successful teams who just haven't won titles still play a rim protecting center and 2 bigs in general.
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BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

Alan Horton? @WolvesRadio 2m2 minutes ago
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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.


It matters when they can't defend him on the other end, the smaller guy has to play defense too



Yes. That's part of my point. Maybe Markkenan can shoot over everybody on the perimeter. But guys, even with a height disadvantage, can take away some of his outside shooting prowess by overplaying him out there.

That's why he needs to be able to be able to hurt those types of guys inside so teams can't simply go small vs. the Wolves and negate Markkenan offensively and exploit him defensively.


I don't see them affecting a quick release from a 7 footer very well, thats why I think the Ryan Anderson claims are ridiculous. Of course you can play a wing on a 6'8 dude



Ryan Anderson is listed at 6'10". He has SOME post/driving game.

Steve Novak was listed at 6'10", too. He couldn't drive or post. He's become increasingly irrelevant (even in the league in 2018?) as teams have gone smaller and just defended him outside with a bouncier player instead of a plodding big.

Here's a blurb from a 2015 Zach Lowe article about the Novaks, Fryes, Bonners types...

"Going small-against-big risks murder on the glass, but there are ways to minimize that risk, and coaches are getting aggressive at turning an enemy's lack of post-up skill into more of a liability. The adaptation has been cruelest for stretch power forwards who can't really do anything but shoot. Coaches have basically played the Matt Bonner/Steve Novak/Mike Scott types off the floor by going small and sticking speedier wings on them -- guys who can close fast on 3-pointers and dribble by them on the other end.

"If you're a stretch 4 today, you'd better have a lightning-quick release," says Daryl Morey, the Rockets GM.

Guys like Ryan Anderson, Ersan Ilyasova, and Channing Frye are more multidimensional, but they aren't as lethal as they were two or three years ago, and they can only thrive in specific environments. If they had better post games, they could beat up smaller defenders and force opponents into uncomfortable readjustments. But they can't -- at least not consistently.

A few executives have dumped the term "stretch 4" altogether and replaced it with "playmaking 4" -- a term I'm officially stealing right now. Shooting is nice, but it's not enough anymore as defenses get smarter, faster, and more flexible working within the loosened rules. Spot-up guys have to be able to catch the ball, pump-fake a defender rushing out at them, drive into the lane, and make some sort of play. If they can't manage that, a possession dies with them."
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

Alan Horton? @WolvesRadio 2m2 minutes ago
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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't take guys closing out fast on him off the dribble... (3) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.

There seems to be some questions with him about all three.


Id like to see KAT and Wig play on the block quite a bit more which would mean Marksman is a theoretical fit stretching the floor. It will be tough to double off him and be able to recover and effectively contest shots. It will be key for those other two be able to improve on passing out of the post and not forcing the issue all the time. Offensively it should work. Its up to Thibs of he thinks it will work defensively.
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BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
BloopOracle wrote:
60WinTim wrote:Smoke Screen!!!

Alan Horton? @WolvesRadio 2m2 minutes ago
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Thibs wouldn't comment on specific players but when asked about Markkanen he smiled & said "shooting is one of our needs."


hmm he must be able to tell the difference between a unique 7 foot agile 3 point shooter and lazy comparisons to other white 3 point shooters who arent nearly as tall or agile like Ryan Anderson and Adam Morrison. Says something about how rare Markkanen is when you have to reach that far back in time



Whether Markkenan is 6'9" or 7'6"... it doesn't matter if (1) he can't hurt smaller guys on the block... (2) can't defend smaller guys on the perimeter.


It matters when they can't defend him on the other end, the smaller guy has to play defense too



Yes. That's part of my point. Maybe Markkenan can shoot over everybody on the perimeter. But guys, even with a height disadvantage, can take away some of his outside shooting prowess by overplaying him out there.

That's why he needs to be able to be able to hurt those types of guys inside so teams can't simply go small vs. the Wolves and negate Markkenan offensively and exploit him defensively.


I don't see them affecting a quick release from a 7 footer very well, thats why I think the Ryan Anderson claims are ridiculous. Of course you can play a wing on a 6'8 dude. Ryan also has an extremely slow release as well, not as bad as Gorgui but it is subpar.


They might not be able to block him, but they can still contest him which is all that matters. And if he can't dribble drive around them they'll just stick to him like glue on the perimeter and not let him get clean looks. The height just doesn't matter that much. He's gonna have to hit tough shots or he's useless on the court. I wouldn't bank on that just because he's tall. He's Channing Frye right now and Channing was unplayable in the finals because of his defense. The same issues are gonna be there for Lauri.
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