Free Agents - Who do you target?

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

You can't sign a free agent for more than 4 years so why is signing someone this offseason just perpetual 8 seed forever? 8 good players in 2-3 years around 25 can't happen in this CBA. You don't think if Dunn and our pick this year and next year in you scenario become those good players that teams will just over price them in restricted free agency and make us get rid of them anyway? We literally won't be able to afford that many good young players at one time. Think of a guy like Green from Memphis this summer. Someone might offer him 20 million just to stick that contract on the Grizzlies or have them lose him and there goes about 20% of your cap if you keep him or he's obviously not on your team anymore if you don't match. In your scenario you'd have to avoid that probably 4-5 times to keep that team together. Won't happen.

The old mentoring vets do nothing for this team at this point. We need the guys that give us 20 minutes a night off the bench to give us 20 good minutes almost every game. That can't be done by the mentoring vets or the Brandon Rush/Cole Aldrich's of the world. Those guys will never lift your bench high enough to win you a game. They are support pieces for stars in GS and LA and we don't have those stars yet.

You bring in vets to get the 8 seed this year and then let the natural development of Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick this year take you higher once they start winning and then understanding what it takes to get to an even higher level of contender status. If you just keep waiting we'll just have a bunch of depressed/pissed off 25 year olds who can't make the playoffs consistently and want to get out and go to a better situation because you refused to ever get them proper support pieces. Or do you just want Towns, Wiggins and Zach to end up like Love and we perpetually rebuild again by trading them?

[Mr. Brightside [enjin:16464947]]

Again, load up on shooting. CJ Miles would be a great fit.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

You can't sign a free agent for more than 4 years so why is signing someone this offseason just perpetual 8 seed forever? 8 good players in 2-3 years around 25 can't happen in this CBA. You don't think if Dunn and our pick this year and next year in you scenario become those good players that teams will just over price them in restricted free agency and make us get rid of them anyway? We literally won't be able to afford that many good young players at one time. Think of a guy like Green from Memphis this summer. Someone might offer him 20 million just to stick that contract on the Grizzlies or have them lose him and there goes about 20% of your cap if you keep him or he's obviously not on your team anymore if you don't match. In your scenario you'd have to avoid that probably 4-5 times to keep that team together. Won't happen.

The old mentoring vets do nothing for this team at this point. We need the guys that give us 20 minutes a night off the bench to give us 20 good minutes almost every game. That can't be done by the mentoring vets or the Brandon Rush/Cole Aldrich's of the world. Those guys will never lift your bench high enough to win you a game. They are support pieces for stars in GS and LA and we don't have those stars yet.

You bring in vets to get the 8 seed this year and then let the natural development of Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick this year take you higher once they start winning and then understanding what it takes to get to an even higher level of contender status. If you just keep waiting we'll just have a bunch of depressed/pissed off 25 year olds who can't make the playoffs consistently and want to get out and go to a better situation because you refused to ever get them proper support pieces. Or do you just want Towns, Wiggins and Zach to end up like Love and we perpetually rebuild again by trading them?

Well, I was going to keep this civil, but since you're losing your widdle temper again, here goes.
1. What's with you and the #8 seed? Are the kids on the activity bus with Parise jerseys giving you crap again? And I live in Orlando. I've seen lottery to #4 seed to Eastern conference champs. So it can be done, but you have to do it right (and get some luck, but still).

2. How is it that The Vikes were about 8 plays, or 2 running backs and 2 offensive tackles, away from being the best team in the NFC and you have nothing nice to say about them, but the Wolves are 5 players away from being the 8th seed, and you're like "Hey, any day now."? I know why, but I want to hear you say it. You don't know anything, and you get your info from Barriero/Reusse/the rest of the "KFAN gang" and that's how they talk.

3. I will sum up the 16/17 Wolves for you: Two great young players playing out of position putting up good offensive #'s because they played ALL the minutes, 3 passable other starters (BRR, GD, SM who is now a FA), and NOTHING from 6 thru 15. Nothing. There is not 4 moves MIN can make OR afford in F/A that gets them 12 playoff wins against SAS, GSW, and CLE 12 months from now. No. NoNoNoNO.

4. Do you have nothing better to do than dream about which average players MIN can sign to four years deals for more money than they deserve when GSW and CLE may be unbeatable for 3 years? No homework? No Angry Birds? Nothing?

I got some moves for you that makes MIN immediately younger and better. More expensive, but younger and better

Hill to POR for Crabbe/#15/#26. I love this move because POR is another disillusioned franchise that thinks they can complete and this keeps them from a complete overhaul. What is it about these code guys that makes them think they know everything? So now MIN is right at the cap with 10 players signed and 3 firsts.

Next: OK so "The King of Williston" wants Blonde Ricky and hates Carmelo. OK. BRR/CA/NB/#26 to NYK. Carmelo to LAL. Hernangomez/Randle/Russel and the Lakers choice of Mozgov or Deng to MIN (positives and negatives with either one).

AND they still have Dieng to either play or trade, and Pek to send to IND in a George to CLE deal in which they get young assets/picks. (George to CLE, Pek/Dieng to IND, Smith/Schumpert/assets/picks to MIN?)

There. I just got MIN 4 players who will be 25 or younger in 3 years (#15, Hernangomez, Randle, Russell) to go with KAT/AW/ZL/#7, and made them BETTER NEXT YEAR without SIGNING anyone. Now go do your homework and brush your teeth. The Talmud Torah bus will be there at 7am.

[Lipoli390]

This will be our last summer for some time when we have significant cap room. That suggests this is the summer to pursue free agents who are potential difference-makers, not old mentors or bit players who can be signed down the road using the mid level exception. KAT is entering his 3rd NBA season. Wiggins and LaVine are entering their 4th season. Gorgui is entering his 5th season. Ricky is entering his 7th season after years playing pro basketball in Europe. These aren't a bunch of babes in the woods desperately needed old mentors to guide them. They need to improve their individual games through hard work and they could benefit from better players around them.

I don't know who we can realistically expect to sign this summer. Probably not Millsap or any of the true stars who've become free agents. But perhaps a Sefalosha, Redick, Tucker or Taj Gibson. We can debate which, if any, of these free agents would be a "difference-maker." I don't have a strong opinion on who we should pursue, but I'm hoping that Thibs makes the right decision. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, the success of this team rides primarily on the improvement of our young talent and our head coach's ability to get the most out of them as a cohesive team. Michael Jordan's Bulls didn't become a playoff team immediately. They took their big leap to 50 wins in Jordan's 4th season when he was joined by two rookies named Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Oh, and that was Phil Jackson's first season. You'll note that no particularly impactful older vets were added that season. Jordan's continued development along with adding a critical mass of high level young talent (Pippen and Grant) and a new terrific head coach added up to a jump from 40 to 50 wins. You can look back at the Thunder's first 50-win season and you'll see that Durant was in his 3rd season, Westbrook in his 2nd season, Harden and Ibaka in their rookie season, Jeff Green in his 3rd season, and Sefalosha in his 4th.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Again, load up on shooting. CJ Miles would be a great fit.

Perfect example. Miles had a good season....which I'm sure had nothing to do with it being a contract year. Perfect guy to overpay for....if you are a good team in a wide open conference.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

This will be our last summer for some time when we have significant cap room. That suggests this is the summer to pursue free agents who are potential difference-makers, not old mentors or bit players who can be signed down the road using the mid level exception. KAT is entering his 3rd NBA season. Wiggins and LaVine are entering their 4th season. Gorgui is entering his 5th season. Ricky is entering his 7th season after years playing pro basketball in Europe. These aren't a bunch of babes in the woods desperately needed old mentors to guide them. They need to improve their individual games through hard work and they could benefit from better players around them.

I don't know who we can realistically expect to sign this summer. Probably not Millsap or any of the true stars who've become free agents. But perhaps a Sefalosha, Redick, Tucker or Taj Gibson. We can debate which, if any, of these free agents would be a "difference-maker." I don't have a strong opinion on who we should pursue, but I'm hoping that Thibs makes the right decision. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, the success of this team rides primarily on the improvement of our young talent and our head coach's ability to get the most out of them as a cohesive team. Michael Jordan's Bulls didn't become a playoff team immediately. They took their big leap to 50 wins in Jordan's 4th season when he was joined by two rookies named Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Oh, and that was Phil Jackson's first season. You'll note that no particularly impactful older vets were added that season. Jordan's continued development along with adding a critical mass of high level young talent (Pippen and Grant) and a new terrific head coach added up to a jump from 40 to 50 wins. You can look back at the Thunder's first 50-win season and you'll see that Durant was in his 3rd season, Westbrook in his 2nd season, Harden and Ibaka in their rookie season, Jeff Green in his 3rd season, and Sefalosha in his 4th.

Also needs to be said: CHI began to peak as BOS & DET got old, not when those teams at the top of the conference were in the conversation as best teams ever. And looking back, I have a tough time with proclaiming OKC as the model. Should have traded Perkins and all those firsts they didn't even want for more immediate production. Not-a-great-guy Clay Bennett wouldn't pay the lux to keep Harden. And what becomes OKC if there is better basketball people in POR/MIA/MEM to draft Durant/Westbrook/Harden? And if it worked out so well, why did Durant have the car running in the parking lot for all of June 2016?

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

You can't sign a free agent for more than 4 years so why is signing someone this offseason just perpetual 8 seed forever? 8 good players in 2-3 years around 25 can't happen in this CBA. You don't think if Dunn and our pick this year and next year in you scenario become those good players that teams will just over price them in restricted free agency and make us get rid of them anyway? We literally won't be able to afford that many good young players at one time. Think of a guy like Green from Memphis this summer. Someone might offer him 20 million just to stick that contract on the Grizzlies or have them lose him and there goes about 20% of your cap if you keep him or he's obviously not on your team anymore if you don't match. In your scenario you'd have to avoid that probably 4-5 times to keep that team together. Won't happen.

The old mentoring vets do nothing for this team at this point. We need the guys that give us 20 minutes a night off the bench to give us 20 good minutes almost every game. That can't be done by the mentoring vets or the Brandon Rush/Cole Aldrich's of the world. Those guys will never lift your bench high enough to win you a game. They are support pieces for stars in GS and LA and we don't have those stars yet.

You bring in vets to get the 8 seed this year and then let the natural development of Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick this year take you higher once they start winning and then understanding what it takes to get to an even higher level of contender status. If you just keep waiting we'll just have a bunch of depressed/pissed off 25 year olds who can't make the playoffs consistently and want to get out and go to a better situation because you refused to ever get them proper support pieces. Or do you just want Towns, Wiggins and Zach to end up like Love and we perpetually rebuild again by trading them?

Well, I was going to keep this civil, but since you're losing your widdle temper again, here goes.
1. What's with you and the #8 seed? Are the kids on the activity bus with Parise jerseys giving you crap again? And I live in Orlando. I've seen lottery to #4 seed to Eastern conference champs. So it can be done, but you have to do it right (and get some luck, but still).

2. How is it that The Vikes were about 8 plays, or 2 running backs and 2 offensive tackles, away from being the best team in the NFC and you have nothing nice to say about them, but the Wolves are 5 players away from being the 8th seed, and you're like "Hey, any day now."? I know why, but I want to hear you say it. You don't know anything, and you get your info from Barriero/Reusse/the rest of the "KFAN gang" and that's how they talk.

3. I will sum up the 16/17 Wolves for you: Two great young players playing out of position putting up good offensive #'s because they played ALL the minutes, 3 passable other starters (BRR, GD, SM who is now a FA), and NOTHING from 6 thru 15. Nothing. There is not 4 moves MIN can make OR afford in F/A that gets them 12 playoff wins against SAS, GSW, and CLE 12 months from now. No. NoNoNoNO.

4. Do you have nothing better to do than dream about which average players MIN can sign to four years deals for more money than they deserve when GSW and CLE may be unbeatable for 3 years? No homework? No Angry Birds? Nothing?

I got some moves for you that makes MIN immediately younger and better. More expensive, but younger and better

Hill to POR for Crabbe/#15/#26. I love this move because POR is another disillusioned franchise that thinks they can complete and this keeps them from a complete overhaul. What is it about these code guys that makes them think they know everything? So now MIN is right at the cap with 10 players signed and 3 firsts.

Next: OK so "The King of Williston" wants Blonde Ricky and hates Carmelo. OK. BRR/CA/NB/#26 to NYK. Carmelo to LAL. Hernangomez/Randle/Russel and the Lakers choice of Mozgov or Deng to MIN (positives and negatives with either one).

AND they still have Dieng to either play or trade, and Pek to send to IND in a George to CLE deal in which they get young assets/picks. (George to CLE, Pek/Dieng to IND, Smith/Schumpert/assets/picks to MIN?)

There. I just got MIN 4 players who will be 25 or younger in 3 years (#15, Hernangomez, Randle, Russell) to go with KAT/AW/ZL/#7, and made them BETTER NEXT YEAR without SIGNING anyone. Now go do your homework and brush your teeth. The Talmud Torah bus will be there at 7am.

I don't even really know how to respond to so much misrepresentation of what I actually think. Maybe don't make up shit in your own head that you think I'm thinking and actually pay attention to what I'm saying. We're years away from contending, but you have to start making the playoffs at some point to ever get to contending. This cycle of free agents Imo should get us into the playoffs and help us build a winning culture for the next 3-4 years so when Towns, Wiggins and Zach enter their prime we have expiring deals to help make a move to find the final piece or two to lift us to contender status whether that be by trade or to help us potentially generate the cap space.

You're great under 25 team lasts 2 years and then gets broken up by basic free agency tactics. That sounds like a great idea. That's what happens when you put so many guys with their contracts up in the same 2 summers on the same team. You think Crabbe got a big deal? Imagine what Russell and Randle will get when everyone knows we have to pay Zach, Andrew and Towns? They'd both be gone in 2 years. Nice fucking plan. Way to do the math on that one dumbass.

You're whole shit post was bashing me for wanting this team to do something I don't even want them to do. Keep up the great work.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

You can't sign a free agent for more than 4 years so why is signing someone this offseason just perpetual 8 seed forever? 8 good players in 2-3 years around 25 can't happen in this CBA. You don't think if Dunn and our pick this year and next year in you scenario become those good players that teams will just over price them in restricted free agency and make us get rid of them anyway? We literally won't be able to afford that many good young players at one time. Think of a guy like Green from Memphis this summer. Someone might offer him 20 million just to stick that contract on the Grizzlies or have them lose him and there goes about 20% of your cap if you keep him or he's obviously not on your team anymore if you don't match. In your scenario you'd have to avoid that probably 4-5 times to keep that team together. Won't happen.

The old mentoring vets do nothing for this team at this point. We need the guys that give us 20 minutes a night off the bench to give us 20 good minutes almost every game. That can't be done by the mentoring vets or the Brandon Rush/Cole Aldrich's of the world. Those guys will never lift your bench high enough to win you a game. They are support pieces for stars in GS and LA and we don't have those stars yet.

You bring in vets to get the 8 seed this year and then let the natural development of Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick this year take you higher once they start winning and then understanding what it takes to get to an even higher level of contender status. If you just keep waiting we'll just have a bunch of depressed/pissed off 25 year olds who can't make the playoffs consistently and want to get out and go to a better situation because you refused to ever get them proper support pieces. Or do you just want Towns, Wiggins and Zach to end up like Love and we perpetually rebuild again by trading them?

Well, I was going to keep this civil, but since you're losing your widdle temper again, here goes.
1. What's with you and the #8 seed? Are the kids on the activity bus with Parise jerseys giving you crap again? And I live in Orlando. I've seen lottery to #4 seed to Eastern conference champs. So it can be done, but you have to do it right (and get some luck, but still).

2. How is it that The Vikes were about 8 plays, or 2 running backs and 2 offensive tackles, away from being the best team in the NFC and you have nothing nice to say about them, but the Wolves are 5 players away from being the 8th seed, and you're like "Hey, any day now."? I know why, but I want to hear you say it. You don't know anything, and you get your info from Barriero/Reusse/the rest of the "KFAN gang" and that's how they talk.

3. I will sum up the 16/17 Wolves for you: Two great young players playing out of position putting up good offensive #'s because they played ALL the minutes, 3 passable other starters (BRR, GD, SM who is now a FA), and NOTHING from 6 thru 15. Nothing. There is not 4 moves MIN can make OR afford in F/A that gets them 12 playoff wins against SAS, GSW, and CLE 12 months from now. No. NoNoNoNO.

4. Do you have nothing better to do than dream about which average players MIN can sign to four years deals for more money than they deserve when GSW and CLE may be unbeatable for 3 years? No homework? No Angry Birds? Nothing?

I got some moves for you that makes MIN immediately younger and better. More expensive, but younger and better

Hill to POR for Crabbe/#15/#26. I love this move because POR is another disillusioned franchise that thinks they can complete and this keeps them from a complete overhaul. What is it about these code guys that makes them think they know everything? So now MIN is right at the cap with 10 players signed and 3 firsts.

Next: OK so "The King of Williston" wants Blonde Ricky and hates Carmelo. OK. BRR/CA/NB/#26 to NYK. Carmelo to LAL. Hernangomez/Randle/Russel and the Lakers choice of Mozgov or Deng to MIN (positives and negatives with either one).

AND they still have Dieng to either play or trade, and Pek to send to IND in a George to CLE deal in which they get young assets/picks. (George to CLE, Pek/Dieng to IND, Smith/Schumpert/assets/picks to MIN?)

There. I just got MIN 4 players who will be 25 or younger in 3 years (#15, Hernangomez, Randle, Russell) to go with KAT/AW/ZL/#7, and made them BETTER NEXT YEAR without SIGNING anyone. Now go do your homework and brush your teeth. The Talmud Torah bus will be there at 7am.

I don't even really know how to respond to so much misrepresentation of what I actually think. Maybe don't make up shit in your own head that you think I'm thinking and actually pay attention to what I'm saying. We're years away from contending, but you have to start making the playoffs at some point to ever get to contending. This cycle of free agents Imo should get us into the playoffs and help us build a winning culture for the next 3-4 years so when Towns, Wiggins and Zach enter their prime we have expiring deals to help make a move to find the final piece or two to lift us to contender status whether that be by trade or to help us potentially generate the cap space.

You're great under 25 team lasts 2 years and then gets broken up by basic free agency tactics. That sounds like a great idea. That's what happens when you put so many guys with their contracts up in the same 2 summers on the same team. You think Crabbe got a big deal? Imagine what Russell and Randle will get when everyone knows we have to pay Zach, Andrew and Towns? They'd both be gone in 2 years. Nice fucking plan. Way to do the math on that one dumbass.

You're whole shit post was bashing me for wanting this team to do something I don't even want them to do. Keep up the great work.

Bullshit. You want MIN to overpay now for guys who won't make the Wolves contenders because you consider the #8 seed some important moment. It's not. Go to the Pelicans board and ask their fans. And maybe just stay there.

And all these guys like Crabbe were signed when the cap was really shooting up. It's not going to anymore. So the money won't be there to pluck good players away from MIN once the Wolves start performing. SIGNING guys you don't really want versus just absorbing them in a salary dump is bad policy, and who says they can't be the 8th seed with the moves I suggested, because they will be better. You're done. Now go clean your room.

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To me, this isn't a "Free Agent Year". You sign free agents when you are close. Is anyone close, other than SAS? If GSW and CLE come back closely resembling what they are now & stay healthy, next season is already written.

So what is this summer? A trade summer for all the idiots who think they are accomplishing something. Do whatever POR deal they can, like Hill for Crabbe/#15 if necessary. Then make Aldrich/Belly/Dieng/Pek/Rubio available for young players and/or draft considerations, taking back all sorts of pupu to then re-trade or use as a bench.

It's time that we as fans write off the next year, and possibly more.

You just don't go from bottom feeder to contender overnight. We need to build a winning culture and that requires signing veteran players who are consistent in supporting our young stars. This constant rebuild needs to end. It's always wait for another draft pick, wait for another draft pick. We have the best young big man in the game. We have a 22 year old wing who is a top 16 scorer already and he doesn't even have a great handle or shot yet. We have another wing who's the dunk champ and can shoot the lights out. When is it enough to start think about getting them the help they need to start building a winning culture? 22 year olds don't run this league. Veterans do. So why are we expecting our 22 year olds to just keep carrying the load with a shit supporting cast holding on to cap space that's just going to be reallocated to them in the next 2 summers with nothing left to add anyone at that point? This summer and next summer are the only two "free agent years" we have left. After that you have to start trading away pieces just to open up the cap space to sign anyone.

Agreed. Of the 5-7 vets I mentioned in my other post, some of those guys will be Kevin Ollie types who will provide mentoring. And yes, 22 y/o's don't run the league, or MIN would be running the league. And I don't really care about "the load" of the next two seasons. Maybe even tee-ay-en-kay.

Yes, I would like to see it end. But to what end? Constant 41 win/#8 seeds? No thanks.

Imagine 2-3 years from now with 8 or so good players right around 25. It could happen. This roster as currently constructed beating GSW or SAS as they are currently constructed? Monumental upset if any chance at all.

You can't sign a free agent for more than 4 years so why is signing someone this offseason just perpetual 8 seed forever? 8 good players in 2-3 years around 25 can't happen in this CBA. You don't think if Dunn and our pick this year and next year in you scenario become those good players that teams will just over price them in restricted free agency and make us get rid of them anyway? We literally won't be able to afford that many good young players at one time. Think of a guy like Green from Memphis this summer. Someone might offer him 20 million just to stick that contract on the Grizzlies or have them lose him and there goes about 20% of your cap if you keep him or he's obviously not on your team anymore if you don't match. In your scenario you'd have to avoid that probably 4-5 times to keep that team together. Won't happen.

The old mentoring vets do nothing for this team at this point. We need the guys that give us 20 minutes a night off the bench to give us 20 good minutes almost every game. That can't be done by the mentoring vets or the Brandon Rush/Cole Aldrich's of the world. Those guys will never lift your bench high enough to win you a game. They are support pieces for stars in GS and LA and we don't have those stars yet.

You bring in vets to get the 8 seed this year and then let the natural development of Towns, Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick this year take you higher once they start winning and then understanding what it takes to get to an even higher level of contender status. If you just keep waiting we'll just have a bunch of depressed/pissed off 25 year olds who can't make the playoffs consistently and want to get out and go to a better situation because you refused to ever get them proper support pieces. Or do you just want Towns, Wiggins and Zach to end up like Love and we perpetually rebuild again by trading them?

Well, I was going to keep this civil, but since you're losing your widdle temper again, here goes.
1. What's with you and the #8 seed? Are the kids on the activity bus with Parise jerseys giving you crap again? And I live in Orlando. I've seen lottery to #4 seed to Eastern conference champs. So it can be done, but you have to do it right (and get some luck, but still).

2. How is it that The Vikes were about 8 plays, or 2 running backs and 2 offensive tackles, away from being the best team in the NFC and you have nothing nice to say about them, but the Wolves are 5 players away from being the 8th seed, and you're like "Hey, any day now."? I know why, but I want to hear you say it. You don't know anything, and you get your info from Barriero/Reusse/the rest of the "KFAN gang" and that's how they talk.

3. I will sum up the 16/17 Wolves for you: Two great young players playing out of position putting up good offensive #'s because they played ALL the minutes, 3 passable other starters (BRR, GD, SM who is now a FA), and NOTHING from 6 thru 15. Nothing. There is not 4 moves MIN can make OR afford in F/A that gets them 12 playoff wins against SAS, GSW, and CLE 12 months from now. No. NoNoNoNO.

4. Do you have nothing better to do than dream about which average players MIN can sign to four years deals for more money than they deserve when GSW and CLE may be unbeatable for 3 years? No homework? No Angry Birds? Nothing?

I got some moves for you that makes MIN immediately younger and better. More expensive, but younger and better

Hill to POR for Crabbe/#15/#26. I love this move because POR is another disillusioned franchise that thinks they can complete and this keeps them from a complete overhaul. What is it about these code guys that makes them think they know everything? So now MIN is right at the cap with 10 players signed and 3 firsts.

Next: OK so "The King of Williston" wants Blonde Ricky and hates Carmelo. OK. BRR/CA/NB/#26 to NYK. Carmelo to LAL. Hernangomez/Randle/Russel and the Lakers choice of Mozgov or Deng to MIN (positives and negatives with either one).

AND they still have Dieng to either play or trade, and Pek to send to IND in a George to CLE deal in which they get young assets/picks. (George to CLE, Pek/Dieng to IND, Smith/Schumpert/assets/picks to MIN?)

There. I just got MIN 4 players who will be 25 or younger in 3 years (#15, Hernangomez, Randle, Russell) to go with KAT/AW/ZL/#7, and made them BETTER NEXT YEAR without SIGNING anyone. Now go do your homework and brush your teeth. The Talmud Torah bus will be there at 7am.

I don't even really know how to respond to so much misrepresentation of what I actually think. Maybe don't make up shit in your own head that you think I'm thinking and actually pay attention to what I'm saying. We're years away from contending, but you have to start making the playoffs at some point to ever get to contending. This cycle of free agents Imo should get us into the playoffs and help us build a winning culture for the next 3-4 years so when Towns, Wiggins and Zach enter their prime we have expiring deals to help make a move to find the final piece or two to lift us to contender status whether that be by trade or to help us potentially generate the cap space.

You're great under 25 team lasts 2 years and then gets broken up by basic free agency tactics. That sounds like a great idea. That's what happens when you put so many guys with their contracts up in the same 2 summers on the same team. You think Crabbe got a big deal? Imagine what Russell and Randle will get when everyone knows we have to pay Zach, Andrew and Towns? They'd both be gone in 2 years. Nice fucking plan. Way to do the math on that one dumbass.

You're whole shit post was bashing me for wanting this team to do something I don't even want them to do. Keep up the great work.

Bullshit. You want MIN to overpay now for guys who won't make the Wolves contenders because you consider the #8 seed some important moment. It's not. Go to the Pelicans board and ask their fans. And maybe just stay there.

And all these guys like Crabbe were signed when the cap was really shooting up. It's not going to anymore. So the money won't be there to pluck good players away from MIN once the Wolves start performing. SIGNING guys you don't really want versus just absorbing them in a salary dump is bad policy, and who says they can't be the 8th seed with the moves I suggested, because they will be better. You're done. Now go clean your room.

Who the fuck are you to tell me what I want? You're just wrong. That's not what I'm saying and your plan doesn't work. There are always bad teams with cap space and guys like Russell and Randle would easily be the best guys to pluck away from a team in the last few years in restricted free agency. It wouldn't work. But feel free to keep day dreaming about bullshit and thinking it's ok to keep missing the playoffs saving all that cap space for the right time and then see it completely gone in two years with nothing to show for it.