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monsterpile wrote:I've been listening to some of he recent episodes of the "Dunc'd on" podcast and the most interesting stuff has been their draft prospect scouting reports. So far they have done Isaac, Tatum, Jackson and Fultz. I don't know a ton about these guys who do the podcast but they have spent a decent chunk of time watching film and one of them has seen these guys in person when they are at the top HS prospect camps or whatever. They probably have some worthwhile insights.

Fultz was the most recent one they really loved his offense and felt he was absolutely deserving of being a #1 overall pick type talent. They think he defense sucks but offensively they think he is terrific.

Of the 3 wing/forwards they both like Isaac way more than Jackson or Tatum. They think Isaac's all around game translates really well to the new NBA and they like how he likely will be able to play as a SF. They really like his intensity as a rebounder blocking out and getting after it. Sometimes he isn't strong enough but it's not because of lack of effort and they found that significant.

They felt like both Jackson and Tatum weren't really star potential players. They worried about those guys having all around game that translate into something significant at the next level. Tatum doesn't offer a lot other than his isolation scoring which may not be utilized much depending on how good he is what position he plays etc. They were not big believers in Jackson's high end either offensively and they were surprisingly not super high on his defense either which was a bit surprising. They said they expected to have a number of PGs rate much higher than both Jackson and Tatum as prospects. One of the guys said position scarcity at the wing positions likely does factor how those guys are considered. I'll be interested to see what they at as they keep rolling through these prospects.


Good stuff, Monster. Thanks for posting. I agree to some extent with their take on Tatum, but I'm really impressed by his ability to handle the ball at his size. His combination of skills and size make him a really good NBA prospect. Jackson's athleticism seems off the charts and all the other reports I've read praise his defense. I like his high octane motor as well. His college stats look impressive except for his free-throw shooting. Who knows, maybe he'll fall to us at #7. If so, would you take him?
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I saw this and it's an interesting stat.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/24/2017-nba-draft-prospect-profiles-will-lonzo-ball-justify-lavar-balls-hype-does-he-fit-on-the-lakers/

"On the season, Ball made 189 field goals: 80 of them were threes, 102 of them were layups or dunks and only seven were either floaters or two-point jumpers."
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bleedspeed177 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
Well its clear you don't want him to go to school now =) , but its seems pretty clear from the couple articles I read that was exactly what he wanted to do. Dunn made a similar decision. You can't go back to school if one of your goals is to win a national championship (which he said was one of the reasons he wanted to stay) which its possible because that roster is supposed to be loaded.


He won't win shit. Big Red Hoops Machine is due.


Well that's gonna be fun since like over half of the Hisker fans want Tim Miles gone. Lol
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lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I've been listening to some of he recent episodes of the "Dunc'd on" podcast and the most interesting stuff has been their draft prospect scouting reports. So far they have done Isaac, Tatum, Jackson and Fultz. I don't know a ton about these guys who do the podcast but they have spent a decent chunk of time watching film and one of them has seen these guys in person when they are at the top HS prospect camps or whatever. They probably have some worthwhile insights.

Fultz was the most recent one they really loved his offense and felt he was absolutely deserving of being a #1 overall pick type talent. They think he defense sucks but offensively they think he is terrific.

Of the 3 wing/forwards they both like Isaac way more than Jackson or Tatum. They think Isaac's all around game translates really well to the new NBA and they like how he likely will be able to play as a SF. They really like his intensity as a rebounder blocking out and getting after it. Sometimes he isn't strong enough but it's not because of lack of effort and they found that significant.

They felt like both Jackson and Tatum weren't really star potential players. They worried about those guys having all around game that translate into something significant at the next level. Tatum doesn't offer a lot other than his isolation scoring which may not be utilized much depending on how good he is what position he plays etc. They were not big believers in Jackson's high end either offensively and they were surprisingly not super high on his defense either which was a bit surprising. They said they expected to have a number of PGs rate much higher than both Jackson and Tatum as prospects. One of the guys said position scarcity at the wing positions likely does factor how those guys are considered. I'll be interested to see what they at as they keep rolling through these prospects.


Good stuff, Monster. Thanks for posting. I agree to some extent with their take on Tatum, but I'm really impressed by his ability to handle the ball at his size. His combination of skills and size make him a really good NBA prospect. Jackson's athleticism seems off the charts and all the other reports I've read praise his defense. I like his high octane motor as well. His college stats look impressive except for his free-throw shooting. Who knows, maybe he'll fall to us at #7. If so, would you take him?


I have issues with Jackson but I think his skill set and flaws work better than Tatum....maybe. I see him as a true wing not a combo forward. I see him as kind of a Kris Dunn do shit guy but I feel better about his upside because he is just a freshman but it's worth mentioning he did turn 20 in February. At #7 I think he would be a nice get but so haven't done my little bit of draft research on him but so have actually seen him play in games.

I'll also add here that when I watched Tatum in games I thought he was nice enough but wasn't impressed with his athletic ability and thought he played kinda meh.
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monsterpile wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I've been listening to some of he recent episodes of the "Dunc'd on" podcast and the most interesting stuff has been their draft prospect scouting reports. So far they have done Isaac, Tatum, Jackson and Fultz. I don't know a ton about these guys who do the podcast but they have spent a decent chunk of time watching film and one of them has seen these guys in person when they are at the top HS prospect camps or whatever. They probably have some worthwhile insights.

Fultz was the most recent one they really loved his offense and felt he was absolutely deserving of being a #1 overall pick type talent. They think he defense sucks but offensively they think he is terrific.

Of the 3 wing/forwards they both like Isaac way more than Jackson or Tatum. They think Isaac's all around game translates really well to the new NBA and they like how he likely will be able to play as a SF. They really like his intensity as a rebounder blocking out and getting after it. Sometimes he isn't strong enough but it's not because of lack of effort and they found that significant.

They felt like both Jackson and Tatum weren't really star potential players. They worried about those guys having all around game that translate into something significant at the next level. Tatum doesn't offer a lot other than his isolation scoring which may not be utilized much depending on how good he is what position he plays etc. They were not big believers in Jackson's high end either offensively and they were surprisingly not super high on his defense either which was a bit surprising. They said they expected to have a number of PGs rate much higher than both Jackson and Tatum as prospects. One of the guys said position scarcity at the wing positions likely does factor how those guys are considered. I'll be interested to see what they at as they keep rolling through these prospects.


Good stuff, Monster. Thanks for posting. I agree to some extent with their take on Tatum, but I'm really impressed by his ability to handle the ball at his size. His combination of skills and size make him a really good NBA prospect. Jackson's athleticism seems off the charts and all the other reports I've read praise his defense. I like his high octane motor as well. His college stats look impressive except for his free-throw shooting. Who knows, maybe he'll fall to us at #7. If so, would you take him?


I have issues with Jackson but I think his skill set and flaws work better than Tatum....maybe. I see him as a true wing not a combo forward. I see him as kind of a Kris Dunn do shit guy but I feel better about his upside because he is just a freshman but it's worth mentioning he did turn 20 in February. At #7 I think he would be a nice get but so haven't done my little bit of draft research on him but so have actually seen him play in games.

I'll also add here that when I watched Tatum in games I thought he was nice enough but wasn't impressed with his athletic ability and thought he played kinda meh.


I am curious if josh Jackson falls because of his off the court issues.

It came out this week he has to take anger management classes and is not allowed to have alcohol for a year. (He is not 21 but still).

So does a team like Philly want to draft him after they had problems with Okafor. What happens if they fall in love with Monk (who is rumored there)

Phx could prefer Tatum over Jackson.

Sac needs a pg badly so could go fox or Smith.

Orl do they want Jackson in Florida or should they draft the Florida state player in Issac or take the other pg.

Then we have the wolves at 7. From what I hear Towns is a home body. Lavine likes to hang with his GF. Not sure about Wiggins. I am in my mid 20s so I still go out time to time in the cities and the only person I see out on the town is Ricky who I have seen a couple of times and Pek who I have seen once.

Minnesota might be a good landing spot for Jackson. And could drop because of his off the court issues
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The latest Dunc'd on podcast did a scouting report on Dennis Smith Jr.

The liked him better than the 3 wings in terms of talent. They thought his upside was very high.

They mentioned his catch and shoot numbers were actually really good. His shooting off the dribble was not but thy wondered if returning from the ACL could have had effect on that.

The said he may be the most athletic PG prospect since John wall. They said his explosiveness was really impressive.

They thought his defense was actually encouraging. He got down in his stance and slid his feet and looked like he wasn't THE problem for the team's defense. Comparing him to Fultz they said Smith was better which isn't a high bar but they felt better about what he brought. They weren't suggesting it was a strength but I think they felt he showed positive signs. Fultz they said just didn't show much of anything beyond getting some steals.

They based their assessment on film and acknowledged there was some issues surrounding him like bad body language etc but they felt like they could only evaluate what they saw on film in terms of talent because they don't have the inside info that teams will be getting about him including if there should be any worry about injuries with his knee.

Weaknesses are they said he showed no signs of a floater game. They worried about how his game might age with declining athletic ability but they also said he wasn't so deficient that it would be a stretch to improve his offensive game which was partly why they liked his upside. Poor shot selection.

My take away from this was from their breakdown he sounds like he may have much more of a skill set to be a more complimentary player than I was expecting with shooting off the catch and they said his passing was very solid and he worked well out of the triple threat.
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I'd take Jackson and run at 7. He has a really high motor. He can do a little bit of everything. The moves he was making in the MSU game in the tournament were NBA moves. He has some off-court stuff, but at 7 I don't care as much as say a top 3 pick with other great options still on the board.
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An entertaining read with some insight of a few prospects.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/f89ef73bd37c

A quick breakdown of every player in a 60 player mock draft including basics shot charts for each player.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com
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Good Stuff - Thanks for sharing Monster. Loved the "The Gambles That Belong in the Anthony Bennett House of Horrors"
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Good Stuff - Thanks for sharing Monster. Loved the "The Gambles That Belong in the Anthony Bennett House of Horrors"


Poor AB. I think even Khansy gave up on him after he flamed out with his 3rd or 4th team.

Some good stuff on a couple of my "trade down" guys Thornwell and Bell. Not so much on OG or Ike.
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