TeamRicky wrote:Just say no to Markannen. If we get Jonathan Isaac I will be doing cartwheels.
How would you rack these 4.
Jackson/Tatum/Issac/Monk.
That be my order but I also have a man crush on Issac
I think Jackson and Isaac are both going to be very good NBA players (both have all star potential) but I think Isaac would probably be a better fit for us and doesn't carry the baggage that Jackson does. Isaac isn't as much a volume scorer as Jackson but he's just as efficient and is a better free throw shooter. I also love Isaac's length and ability to play the 3 and 4. He has the best rebound numbers of anyone slotted to be picked in the top ten. He has a great defensive rating and steals and blocks at good rates too. I like that he developed guard skills before he had a recent growth spurt.
I like Tatum too. He can play both sides of the ball. I think he's just a tad below the other two guys because his physical tools and length aren't quite as impressive.
Monk is a great scorer and will probably have a nice NBA career, but I don't think that's our biggest need. One guard that intrigues me is the Frank Ntilinkina because of his superb length. I still want to take one of the wing guys because I think a two way wing is our biggest need and these guys may also be the BPA when we pick.
I agree with everything you said here, with the exception of being intrigued by Frank.
I'm beginning to think Tatum and Isaac fit may end up fitting here better than Jackson would with what we are creating. LaVine, Wiggins, and Towns all seem to be headed to being stand up men. I'd prefer to adding a potential malcontent to that core. They generally do not work out..
khans2k5 wrote:It's just so annoying how he projects the same damn players for us every time. First it was Ellenson and now it's Markannen. News flash Ford. We need defense. Based on his description of Collins, isn't he just the superior prospect to Markannen for us?
Yeah Ford can be annoying but I thought he had some good thoughts on other prospects and teams too. I dont think people really have much of a clue what Thibs and Layden think because they aren't chatting people up and I don't think many folks with the Wolves are too chatty either. The Wolves do need shooting so that makes sense. Markannen seems like a guy Ford would like so he would slot him in there as you can make an arguement PF is the position least locked up on this squad.
Well it seems Jonathon Isaac has a number of fans on this board. He is a guy I really like too. I think he is a guy that would fit in well here and he does still have plenty of potential and he could end up being that high level lengthy forward this team has been searching for for years except that one year of AK. Now it may be needed more than ever. I need to look into more of these guys but one guy I am not a fan of is Markannan but I should look into him more.
khans2k5 wrote:It's just so annoying how he projects the same damn players for us every time. First it was Ellenson and now it's Markannen. News flash Ford. We need defense. Based on his description of Collins, isn't he just the superior prospect to Markannen for us?
That depends. Markannen is the more proven player. You know what you are getting at an elite level, and you hope to mold the rest. Collins, in my opinion, is the first essential reach of this draft. Unproven, hopeful talent.
I'm honestly baffled by how many people here say they want to trade for a vet because a rookie is worthless for improvement, yet seem to want to take the most unknown high end talent in this draft lottery.
Here are Collins' numbers on a per 36 minute basis:
That's from a freshman. The only reason he didn't play more is because he played behind a 5th year senior that happens to be the winningest player in D-1 history.
I watched Markannen a couple times. The guy looked slow and passive to me. His rebounding and shot blocking are anemic for a player of his size at the college level. We've seen how these traits typically translate to the NBA. No thanks!
(Oh, and anyone that watched Collins would know that being passive is not in his DNA. He actually has the opposite problem. He's a tough, aggressive SOB that gets fired up, but it led to a lot of foul trouble).
khans2k5 wrote:It's just so annoying how he projects the same damn players for us every time. First it was Ellenson and now it's Markannen. News flash Ford. We need defense. Based on his description of Collins, isn't he just the superior prospect to Markannen for us?
That depends. Markannen is the more proven player. You know what you are getting at an elite level, and you hope to mold the rest. Collins, in my opinion, is the first essential reach of this draft. Unproven, hopeful talent.
I'm honestly baffled by how many people here say they want to trade for a vet because a rookie is worthless for improvement, yet seem to want to take the most unknown high end talent in this draft lottery.
Here are Collins' numbers on a per 36 minute basis:
That's from a freshman. The only reason he didn't play more is because he played behind a 5th year senior that happens to be the winningest player in D-1 history.
I watched Markannen a couple times. The guy looked slow and passive to me. His rebounding and shot blocking are anemic for a player of his size at the college level. We've seen how these traits typically translate to the NBA. No thanks!
(Oh, and anyone that watched Collins would know that being passive is not in his DNA. He actually has the opposite problem. He's a tough, aggressive SOB that gets fired up, but it led to a lot of foul trouble).
Just looked it up and .5 block and .4 steals in 30+ minutes is pretty underwhelming for Markannen.
khans2k5 wrote:It's just so annoying how he projects the same damn players for us every time. First it was Ellenson and now it's Markannen. News flash Ford. We need defense. Based on his description of Collins, isn't he just the superior prospect to Markannen for us?
That depends. Markannen is the more proven player. You know what you are getting at an elite level, and you hope to mold the rest. Collins, in my opinion, is the first essential reach of this draft. Unproven, hopeful talent.
I'm honestly baffled by how many people here say they want to trade for a vet because a rookie is worthless for improvement, yet seem to want to take the most unknown high end talent in this draft lottery.
Here are Collins' numbers on a per 36 minute basis:
That's from a freshman. The only reason he didn't play more is because he played behind a 5th year senior that happens to be the winningest player in D-1 history.
I watched Markannen a couple times. The guy looked slow and passive to me. His rebounding and shot blocking are anemic for a player of his size at the college level. We've seen how these traits typically translate to the NBA. No thanks!
(Oh, and anyone that watched Collins would know that being passive is not in his DNA. He actually has the opposite problem. He's a tough, aggressive SOB that gets fired up, but it led to a lot of foul trouble).
Collins flat out gets after it. I think his floor is incredibly high. I'm not sure if he's going to become an all star someday (he might), but he is going to be a damn good player in this league.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Collins flat out gets after it. I think his floor is incredibly high. I'm not sure if he's going to become an all star someday (he might), but he is going to be a damn good player in this league.
Issac and him are high on my board. I really liked Bridges though.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
Collins flat out gets after it. I think his floor is incredibly high. I'm not sure if he's going to become an all star someday (he might), but he is going to be a damn good player in this league.
Issac and him are high on my board. I really liked Bridges though.
You're going to have to wait a year on Bridges, he's headed back to school for another year.
khans2k5 wrote:It's just so annoying how he projects the same damn players for us every time. First it was Ellenson and now it's Markannen. News flash Ford. We need defense. Based on his description of Collins, isn't he just the superior prospect to Markannen for us?
That depends. Markannen is the more proven player. You know what you are getting at an elite level, and you hope to mold the rest. Collins, in my opinion, is the first essential reach of this draft. Unproven, hopeful talent.
I'm honestly baffled by how many people here say they want to trade for a vet because a rookie is worthless for improvement, yet seem to want to take the most unknown high end talent in this draft lottery.
Collins is virtually the same level of unproven as Towns when you look at the stats. He played 17 minutes a game which is only 4 less than Towns and his advanced stats are right on par with Towns per 40 which is all the same arguments Towns got as the #1 pick and we're talking the 6th pick for Collins. I'm not saying Collins is Towns, but similar stats and college careers and a 5 pick drop off seem about right for the difference. Collins is also a 7 footer, but he's an elite athlete unlike Markkanen and he's a proven shot blocker and rebounder averaging almost 6 boards and 2 blocks in 17 minutes. That's 12 and 4 per 36. His 3 tournament games over 20 minutes played he had 10/6/3, 14/5/4, 14/13/6 averaging 22 MPG's. His only real downside when he's on the court is his foul trouble, but the production is already there. Markkanen does one thing and you hope he develops others. That seems like a bigger risk to me than taking the guy who has proven to rebound and defend, is an elite athlete and has the potential to be a good shooter as well.
