Hire Sam Hinkie

[WildWolf2813]

For a team so low on assets, he's the guy they need going forward to run this ship. We might be the one team that could hire him that wouldn't anger the rest of the league. Why? Because I doubt the league is interested in us winning anyway.

Glen needs to make that call. What else does this team have to lose?

[AbeVigodaLive]

For a team so low on assets, he's the guy they need going forward to run this ship. We might be the one team that could hire him that wouldn't anger the rest of the league. Why? Because I doubt the league is interested in us winning anyway.

Glen needs to make that call. What else does this team have to lose?

Its fans.

We deserve better after 30 years of mostly futility than to be told "we're going to lose on purpose... but THIS time we promise it'll be worth it... eventually. Now, cough up that $90 just to sit in the upper deck of a 1/2 empty arena while we deliberately lose."

Nope. I'd be out.

[WildWolf2813]

For a team so low on assets, he's the guy they need going forward to run this ship. We might be the one team that could hire him that wouldn't anger the rest of the league. Why? Because I doubt the league is interested in us winning anyway.

Glen needs to make that call. What else does this team have to lose?

Its fans.

We deserve better after 30 years of mostly futility than to be told "we're going to lose on purpose... but THIS time we promise it'll be worth it... eventually. Now, cough up that $90 just to sit in the upper deck of a 1/2 empty arena while we deliberately lose."

Nope. I'd be out.

They're already losing us. You don't think this season has done immense damage to the fanbase?

Besides, this team doesn't have to work hard to lose games. We know this. When Philly started trusting the process they were a playoff team on the treadmill. Glen Taylor would do anything to get back to even that level.

Say what you want about Hinkie but he puts you in position to get talent we just can't get. This team obviously doesn't value player development and that has to change. I don't care if we turn into the Oakland A's of hoops where we're seemingly developing players we eventually can't keep. At least we'd be seeing the team grow.

We're gonna have 8 players guaranteed to come back, 2 if's in Rose and Jones, 2 draft picks and an open MLE spot. Let's assume only one of Rose /Jones returns. That means they need to hit it big time on 3 vet minimum guys and then of course the 2 ways. I'm sick of this team having to trade for a RoCo when someone like Hinkie was good at finding them. I'm not saying go into another long rebuild. I'm saying this team is awful at finding talent and having a structure of getting talent developed. Hinkie even so much as having input would help. It also helps that he probably wants to prove he can actually build a team up to its completion.

[AbeVigodaLive]

For a team so low on assets, he's the guy they need going forward to run this ship. We might be the one team that could hire him that wouldn't anger the rest of the league. Why? Because I doubt the league is interested in us winning anyway.

Glen needs to make that call. What else does this team have to lose?

Its fans.

We deserve better after 30 years of mostly futility than to be told "we're going to lose on purpose... but THIS time we promise it'll be worth it... eventually. Now, cough up that $90 just to sit in the upper deck of a 1/2 empty arena while we deliberately lose."

Nope. I'd be out.

They're already losing us. You don't think this season has done immense damage to the fanbase?

Besides, this team doesn't have to work hard to lose games. We know this. When Philly started trusting the process they were a playoff team on the treadmill. Glen Taylor would do anything to get back to even that level.

Say what you want about Hinkie but he puts you in position to get talent we just can't get. This team obviously doesn't value player development and that has to change. I don't care if we turn into the Oakland A's of hoops where we're seemingly developing players we eventually can't keep. At least we'd be seeing the team grow.

We're gonna have 8 players guaranteed to come back, 2 if's in Rose and Jones, 2 draft picks and an open MLE spot. Let's assume only one of Rose /Jones returns. That means they need to hit it big time on 3 vet minimum guys and then of course the 2 ways. I'm sick of this team having to trade for a RoCo when someone like Hinkie was good at finding them. I'm not saying go into another long rebuild. I'm saying this team is awful at finding talent and having a structure of getting talent developed. Hinkie even so much as having input would help. It also helps that he probably wants to prove he can actually build a team up to its completion.

I'll never be an advocate for deliberate tanking.

And with today's lottery limitations... it would be YET ANOTHER trend the Wolves are simply behind on until it's too late to join everybody else.

There's not nearly as much incentive to be the very worst anymore. That ship has sailed.

More importantly, again... WE (fans) deserve better. Instead of giving Taylor an out with the "well, we'll accept losing (without you dropping ticket prices) because the promise of hope is gonna work THIS time."

Fuck that. We should be demanding that Taylor figures this out. We waited for years and years for "lottery luck." Then, we get it -- TWICE -- and they still fail, we're back into "all we need is some lottery luck" mode?

Fuck that. Taylor has to put together an organization that knows what it's doing. LITERALLY EVERY OTHER TEAM in the NBA has done this in one way or the other while the Wolves have remained a laughingstock of abject mediocrity or suckiness.

Give Taylor another pass?

Nope.



[Note: A 35 - 37 win season is not going to drive away a fanbase. Heck, it would be the 11th best season in 30 years.]

[WildWolf2813]

I didn't say deliberately tank. This team doesn't have to do that. I'm highlighting the good points Hinkie had which was load up on young guys, identify the ones who can really play and develop those guys (like Covington).

Either way you're gonna go into the summer hoping Taylor figures it out. He won't and I think he (and Wiggins) are major deterrents for good young savvy minds to come here and take this job. Who wants to lose their job and reputation because they can't save an unsalvageable player like Wiggins? You gotta work within your limitations and this team has major limitations. No cap space, no pool of young talent, not many good deals, crappy ownership, unattractive market. Who looks at that and goes, I can make this awesome? You gotta find a crazy person to do that. Hinkie might be a crazy enough hire that can at least replenish this team with more cracks at identifying talent this franchise doesn't value.

To be cool with another season like this is to be cool with Taylor doing absolutely nothing this summer and bringing everyone back.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I didn't say deliberately tank. This team doesn't have to do that. I'm highlighting the good points Hinkie had which was load up on young guys, identify the ones who can really play and develop those guys (like Covington).

Either way you're gonna go into the summer hoping Taylor figures it out. He won't and I think he (and Wiggins) are major deterrents for good young savvy minds to come here and take this job. Who wants to lose their job and reputation because they can't save an unsalvageable player like Wiggins? You gotta work within your limitations and this team has major limitations. No cap space, no pool of young talent, not many good deals, crappy ownership, unattractive market. Who looks at that and goes, I can make this awesome? You gotta find a crazy person to do that. Hinkie might be a crazy enough hire that can at least replenish this team with more cracks at identifying talent this franchise doesn't value.

To be cool with another season like this is to be cool with Taylor doing absolutely nothing this summer and bringing everyone back.

I don't think we're that far apart.

In fact, I was going to wait for the right time to declare my fandom intentions for 2020 and beyond... but I guess this works as good as any...

I'm willing to give the new GM (xx) days to unload Wiggins or I'm out.

I wish I was joking. Even more telling, I wish it wasn't a reasonable, acceptable and justifiable decision.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Having KAT as a franchise cornerstone along with some nice role players is more than what other bottom feeders can say. KAT, Saric, RoCo, Tyus, and Okogie is a reasonably competitive squad, but certainly not a Western Conference playoff squad. The elephant in the room is Wiggins and, to a lesser extent, Dieng. These two contracts are severely limiting us.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Having KAT as a franchise cornerstone along with some nice role players is more than what other bottom feeders can say. KAT, Saric, RoCo, Tyus, and Okogie is a reasonably competitive squad, but certainly not a Western Conference playoff squad. The elephant in the room is Wiggins and, to a lesser extent, Dieng. These two contracts are severely limiting us.

Time to cut Wiggins loose. At any cost.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Everyone looks back fondly on Hinkie because of Simmons and Embiid, but there were a lot of bad moves with him at the helm. There was no end in sight to their tanking for multiple years until they lucked into Embiid and Simmons. There's a reason Hinkie can't find a job right now. How does he look as a GM if they win the Wiggins lottery and lose the Simmons lottery? That can tell you a lot about his legacy as a GM.

[Monster]

I don't know how much of it was true but there was a lot of chatter about Hienke was bad at being a guy that was able to lead an organization. He didn't talk to the media much Brett Brown did all the time. It was funny Thorpe said Okogor wasn't handled well and then a few minutes later said the Wolves should hire Heinke. Thorpe did say he thinks Heinke would have anothe plan it's not like his only go to move was the tanking strategy. That does make a lot of sense this team already has Towns. That the guy you are tanking for. Thorpe mentioned the assistant GM in Washington as a smart dude. He also had some random story about how he wasn't a david Griffin fan and then became one when he heard a "tremendous" story about him. It was the one that when the Cavs were down 3-1 to the warriors and Griffin emailed everyone in the organization and said we are down 3-1 but we are gonna come back and win the finals. That email changed David Thorpe's opinion on David Griffin. To quote Stephen Adams "Seems dumb".

Heinke was good at finding guys like Roco...out of how many random signing and bizziollion 2nd round picks did it take for him to get Roco and McConnell? He should get credit for those guys but all the Wild opportunity both in roster spots and draft picks AND playing time I wouldn't exactly put that as some magical strength.

Abe says the fans will suffer with Heinke. Dude is a freaking Legend in Philly no joke. Not everyone feels that way but there are a lot of Philly fans that feel that way right or wrong.

People won't like this but I'm not sure Sam Heinke is the right guy for this organization. He seems like a guybthats gonna be all about the bottom line. This organization needs smart basketball people but I think it needs to have an identity of likeabilty. Play that up with people that are also good at their jobs.

Personally I'm not against the San Heinke special taking over this organization. If so make sure we hire some actual person to be the friendly face of the organization and someone else that knows what they hate doing running the basketball stuff and let Heinke work his magic. Who is the coach though? Idk there are some concerns or If's even if you are ok with what Heinke did with the Sixers.