AbeVigodaLive wrote:Jerryd Bayless had his best game as a Timberwolves player... vs. one of the worst defensive teams in the league. A team trying to lose games.
He shot 5 - 16.
Granted, the three pointers were nice (4 - 11) but he's a very limited stopgap at this point. Vet's minimum? Sure. But he should be an afterthought until the very end if nothing else.
Bayless was relentlessly booed in Philly...he is what he is, and I don't think anyone here would advocate paying him any more than the vet minimum to be our 3rd PG. But if either Rose or Teague is gone before next year, he would be a decent option at a cheap cost. Why would he take it? I don't know that he is very highly regarded around the league, and he might see the potential for more playing time here given Rose's injury history.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Jerryd Bayless had his best game as a Timberwolves player... vs. one of the worst defensive teams in the league. A team trying to lose games.
He shot 5 - 16.
Granted, the three pointers were nice (4 - 11) but he's a very limited stopgap at this point. Vet's minimum? Sure. But he should be an afterthought until the very end if nothing else.
Bayless was relentlessly booed in Philly...he is what he is, and I don't think anyone here would advocate paying him any more than the vet minimum to be our 3rd PG. But if either Rose or Teague is gone before next year, he would be a decent option at a cheap cost. Why would he take it? I don't know that he is very highly regarded around the league, and he might see the potential for more playing time here given Rose's injury history.
We need all the guys that Philly boo's we already got 2 of them in Covington and bayless. Can't let Jarred get away. lol also Abe thanks for the reality check. Again I wanted to see what Bayless does the rest of the year. If he looks solid I want him back for cheap. He could be realively replaceable. That's what I would bet on but I've been pleasantly surprised with what's i have seen and I probably believed in him more than most here. The shooting percentages for him sorta make Okogie look good. Lol
Duke13 wrote:It's a huge mistake for this team to not try and trade, Taj, Rose, Tolliver, and Teague this year for future assets. This can be a quick turnaround.
I get as a fan we wanna make the playoffs but it's still very unlikely and at best we are playing to get destroyed in the 1st round. Rose is the only one that could possibly get a 1st from a desperate team trying to make a run. You have to make that trade if you're a smart front office. This team is so weak with wing depth and other positions. Some picks and flexibility going forward is huge!!
Duke - I agree it would be a mistake not th TRY and trade Taj, Rose, Tolliver and Teague before the Feb. trade deadline. The last couple weeks before the deadline is when you can find desperate teams trying to make a run who will overpay for a good veteran or two to help them get better playoff position and possibly make a championship run. I'd shop Tolliver and Teague really hard, but I'm not sure we'd get much for either one. Tolliver isn't that valuable and Teague is overpriced. I'd be reluctant to trade Taj or Rose because of what they contribute to this team both on the court and in the lockerroom. They both have heart and this team needs all the heart it can get. I think Rose or Taj could bring a 1st round pick in return. Would I make that deal? Not sure. The pick would probably be in the mid-20s. I'm torn.
I get being torn. No way Taj gets a 1st, zero chance. Playoff teams want spacing out of a 4 because of the effect not having it has on everyone else. This is something the wolves don't understand. Taj is a very solid player, but no way he gets a 1st. A team like Philly badly wants a 4, they wouldn't even play him.
One thing that's kinda easy to forget about Saric is that this is his 3rd year in the NBA and now on his 2nd team traded during this season. Yeah he played professionally for years but still it's his 3rd year. Saric unless he has a matchup nearer the basket doesn't have the physical ability to force the issue offensively so i think both because of his ability to be creative and also needing to know his spots on the floor we haven't exactly seen the best of him the last chunk of games especially playing off the bench with whoever is available because I think he needs to know his place and where everyone else is supposed to be more. I still think Saric can be a nice piece for this team as at least a more modern version of Taj a guy that comes in and just helps you.
I get being torn. No way Taj gets a 1st, zero chance. Playoff teams want spacing out of a 4 because of the effect not having it has on everyone else. This is something the wolves don't understand. Taj is a very solid player, but no way he gets a 1st. A team like Philly badly wants a 4, they wouldn't even play him.
You mean similar to how Houston didn't immediately snap up a similar player in Faried? And how poorly he has fit as a non-shooting, smart basketball player? Oh wait, he has been a great fit. Not saying he would get a 1st round pick (as he is an expiring),but your view on Taj is warped. He would log major minutes as starter/backup on any team in the league. Taj is one of those vets you can easily plug-and-play. He can fit on any team, and would have value if we started shopping him. Would teams prefer him to be a 3 point sharpshooter? Absolutely. But you know what....that player wouldn't be available in a trade either.
I only bring this up because you seem to negatively comment frequently on a guy that has perhaps been one of our top 2-3 most consistent guys the past couple seasons.
I'm noticing some things about Saric that make me wonder about him, and they are more attitudinal than performance, although his shooting has been dreadful. Last night I noticed him gesturing angrily at someone (Terrell maybe) when he drove to the basket at the end of the quarter rather than passing to Dario beyond the arc, and he continued to shake his head and fume as he went back to the bench. I'm wondering if Ryan noticed it too, because I don't think Dario saw the court again despite Taj being out. (In all fairness I also saw him engaged and cheering on the bench as the team launched its 4th quarter comeback.)
Further, I heard reports in the media last week (sorry, can't remember from whom) that Dario is unhappy with his role here...thinks he should start. Dario was a huge fan favorite in Philly and has the reputation of being a good teammate, so maybe there's nothing to worry about here. But it does seem that he doesn't like getting 22 MPG here while he was getting 30 on a better Philly team. I think Dario needs to worry more about knocking down threes than his MPG...and improvement in the former will lead to an improvement in the other.
Hicks123 wrote:I get being torn. No way Taj gets a 1st, zero chance. Playoff teams want spacing out of a 4 because of the effect not having it has on everyone else. This is something the wolves don't understand. Taj is a very solid player, but no way he gets a 1st. A team like Philly badly wants a 4, they wouldn't even play him.
You mean similar to how Houston didn't immediately snap up a similar player in Faried? And how poorly he has fit as a non-shooting, smart basketball player? Oh wait, he has been a great fit. Not saying he would get a 1st round pick (as he is an expiring),but your view on Taj is warped. He would log major minutes as starter/backup on any team in the league. Taj is one of those vets you can easily plug-and-play. He can fit on any team, and would have value if we started shopping him. Would teams prefer him to be a 3 point sharpshooter? Absolutely. But you know what....that player wouldn't be available in a trade either.
I only bring this up because you seem to negatively comment frequently on a guy that has perhaps been one of our top 2-3 most consistent guys the past couple seasons.
You can call it negativity, I'd say it's realistic. Houston needs bodies right now! Taj would be a 10-12 minute guy on a playoff team as a back up center. Houston had to give up nothing of value to acquire Faried. That's my point with Taj, he wouldnt bring back nothing of significant value. People overvalue our guys constantly. I think Taj is a decent player. I'm jut in the camp that want to see the wolves play more of a modern brand of basketball. Surround Kat was more spacing, and skilled players, Taj isn't that in my opinion.
longstrangetrip wrote:I'm noticing some things about Saric that make me wonder about him, and they are more attitudinal than performance, although his shooting has been dreadful. Last night I noticed him gesturing angrily at someone (Terrell maybe) when he drove to the basket at the end of the quarter rather than passing to Dario beyond the arc, and he continued to shake his head and fume as he went back to the bench. I'm wondering if Ryan noticed it too, because I don't think Dario saw the court again despite Taj being out. (In all fairness I also saw him engaged and cheering on the bench as the team launched its 4th quarter comeback.)
Further, I heard reports in the media last week (sorry, can't remember from whom) that Dario is unhappy with his role here...thinks he should start. Dario was a huge fan favorite in Philly and has the reputation of being a good teammate, so maybe there's nothing to worry about here. But it does seem that he doesn't like getting 22 MPG here while he was getting 30 on a better Philly team. I think Dario needs to worry more about knocking down threes than his MPG...and improvement in the former will lead to an improvement in the other.
Saric should be pissed at times for people not passing him the ball when he is wide open. It's multiple players too. Belly endured a similar problem here. Sure would be easier to hit 3's if your teammates passed to you when you are wide open
By all accounts Saric is a terrific guy great teammate but he is VERY competitive and likely feels like he can do more to help the team. I think Ryan will communicate with him. Taj has been playing some terrific basketball do you take him out of the starting lineup? Idk the other thing is that I think if the team is healthy Saric and Tyus are good for each other off the bench. Do you make a big change now when in a few days you might be able to go back to something that works? I think Whether Saric starts or comes off the bench is a coin flip type decision. I could make a strong case for either one.
Meanwhile in this game they had other options Deng or Tolliver. Saric has been hit in the mouth the night before it makes some sense to play another guy. It seems likely under Saunders you are gonna get your chance to play so Saric will be ready.
I agree with you Monster on your points about teammates missing Saric on wide open looks, same with Belly, spot on. I think this has contributed to Saric's frustration causing him to force up highly contested 3's. I think this has happened with Tolliver. I don't know the answer to why this team just doesn't create open 3 pt opportunities at the rate of other teams. I don't know the stats, just my observation. Tolliver's 3's are highly contested also. We've fail to capitalize on both skill sets. The use of Tolliver has been an on going frustration for me. Jim Pete said it last night, he needs to be playing the 4, something I've been preaching all year.
