AbeVigodaLive wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:To be fair, isn't Abe always the one who says it's all about the players? Give Saunders a big 3 and i think he will be just fine.
We're only two players away!
But Josh Okogie is like super duper close.
sjm34 wrote:I can't understand all the Okogie love, other than it is a reflex to Wig's style of play.
longstrangetrip wrote:I actually think this board is rather balanced with respect to Josh. I think most of us got excited by his nonstop energy and defensive disruptiveness and called for him to play more minutes, but then soon realized his terrible shooting and lack of defensive experience puts him in the "not ready yet" category. He's pretty much what you expect with a late first round pick...some promise, but a lot of deficiencies. My take is he needs to play right now because he is the best healthy wing option we have other than Wig. But I would prefer to see him working on his shot in Iowa when RoCo and Rose come back, rather than subjecting the fans to more 1 for 10 nights. His decent college shooting makes me think he may be a viable NBA player some day. I'd rather keep him than trade him because I want to see how he turns out, but mostly because I just don't think we would get much back for him at this time.
There's some evidence that the injuries may last awhile, or that Ryan might be thinking he has to limit Josh's minutes, because Doogie reports that "at least" one free agent guard is trying out in town today. BTW, I know Wolfson isn't loved here, but I find him to be the best Wolves source out there. Chris Hine remains the best source though for Mariah Carey or Carole King news and updates about gay bar happenings...never thought I would miss Zgoda, but...
longstrangetrip wrote:I actually think this board is rather balanced with respect to Josh. I think most of us got excited by his nonstop energy and defensive disruptiveness and called for him to play more minutes, but then soon realized his terrible shooting and lack of defensive experience puts him in the "not ready yet" category. He's pretty much what you expect with a late first round pick...some promise, but a lot of deficiencies. My take is he needs to play right now because he is the best healthy wing option we have other than Wig. But I would prefer to see him working on his shot in Iowa when RoCo and Rose come back, rather than subjecting the fans to more 1 for 10 nights. His decent college shooting makes me think he may be a viable NBA player some day. I'd rather keep him than trade him because I want to see how he turns out, but mostly because I just don't think we would get much back for him at this time.
There's some evidence that the injuries may last awhile, or that Ryan might be thinking he has to limit Josh's minutes, because Doogie reports that "at least" one free agent guard is trying out in town today. BTW, I know Wolfson isn't loved here, but I find him to be the best Wolves source out there. Chris Hine remains the best source though for Mariah Carey or Carole King news and updates about gay bar happenings...never thought I would miss Zgoda, but...
monsterpile wrote:I'm really disappointed in Abe he left out Tubby Smith.
I know some people say the Wolves are going country club for adding guys back to help but it doesn't mean those guys are idiots either. I also think Wittman seemed to chill out a bit the last few months he was on the job for the Wizards. I don't think Ryan needs innovators he needs guys that have been there done that. He doesn't really have anyone like that on his coaching staff except maybe Ed P. Also worth noting Layden is running things as GM...but who knows if he will be here in a few months. There is no assurity that Randy Wittman will be here either in any capacity.
It's an interesting and worthwhile point to mention Ryan's coaching tree. His GM tree isn't exactly top shelf either. I mean who was the best basketball mind he has worked with period?
One thing I learned a few years ago was to be successful you have to have a few things going for you. First you just need to have a base level of comptetence and then if you have great ideas and successful concepts...you still have to be able to effectively communicate those to people you are coaching but also your colleagues and people above you as well. That can be difficult. So even if Ryan is the guy with ideas that are different and good can he effectively communicate those AND will he have some of the right people around him and above him that will support him and help move the team in a positive direction? Hard to know. Only time will tell.
lipoli390 wrote:monsterpile wrote:I'm really disappointed in Abe he left out Tubby Smith.
I know some people say the Wolves are going country club for adding guys back to help but it doesn't mean those guys are idiots either. I also think Wittman seemed to chill out a bit the last few months he was on the job for the Wizards. I don't think Ryan needs innovators he needs guys that have been there done that. He doesn't really have anyone like that on his coaching staff except maybe Ed P. Also worth noting Layden is running things as GM...but who knows if he will be here in a few months. There is no assurity that Randy Wittman will be here either in any capacity.
It's an interesting and worthwhile point to mention Ryan's coaching tree. His GM tree isn't exactly top shelf either. I mean who was the best basketball mind he has worked with period?
One thing I learned a few years ago was to be successful you have to have a few things going for you. First you just need to have a base level of comptetence and then if you have great ideas and successful concepts...you still have to be able to effectively communicate those to people you are coaching but also your colleagues and people above you as well. That can be difficult. So even if Ryan is the guy with ideas that are different and good can he effectively communicate those AND will he have some of the right people around him and above him that will support him and help move the team in a positive direction? Hard to know. Only time will tell.
Monster - Great analysis. I agree completely on the importance of communication to be successful. The jury is out on Ryan. I really want him to succeed.
One factor to keep in mind is KAT's feelings affection for Ryan, which stems in part from KAT's feelings for and loyalty to Flip. Ryan presence here as our head coach is a bit of a hedge against the Wolves' worst-case scenario - namely ending up in an Anthony Davis situation where KAT demands a trade. If the team continues to fall short of anything better than an 8th seed and quick playoff exist, then KAT will eventually demand a trade before the end of his contract. Having Ryan as head coach mitigates that risk a bit. Ryan's presence here in that role could buy the Wolves an extra year perhaps to get on track before KAT makes the dreaded demand.
kekgeek1 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:monsterpile wrote:I'm really disappointed in Abe he left out Tubby Smith.
I know some people say the Wolves are going country club for adding guys back to help but it doesn't mean those guys are idiots either. I also think Wittman seemed to chill out a bit the last few months he was on the job for the Wizards. I don't think Ryan needs innovators he needs guys that have been there done that. He doesn't really have anyone like that on his coaching staff except maybe Ed P. Also worth noting Layden is running things as GM...but who knows if he will be here in a few months. There is no assurity that Randy Wittman will be here either in any capacity.
It's an interesting and worthwhile point to mention Ryan's coaching tree. His GM tree isn't exactly top shelf either. I mean who was the best basketball mind he has worked with period?
One thing I learned a few years ago was to be successful you have to have a few things going for you. First you just need to have a base level of comptetence and then if you have great ideas and successful concepts...you still have to be able to effectively communicate those to people you are coaching but also your colleagues and people above you as well. That can be difficult. So even if Ryan is the guy with ideas that are different and good can he effectively communicate those AND will he have some of the right people around him and above him that will support him and help move the team in a positive direction? Hard to know. Only time will tell.
Monster - Great analysis. I agree completely on the importance of communication to be successful. The jury is out on Ryan. I really want him to succeed.
One factor to keep in mind is KAT's feelings affection for Ryan, which stems in part from KAT's feelings for and loyalty to Flip. Ryan presence here as our head coach is a bit of a hedge against the Wolves' worst-case scenario - namely ending up in an Anthony Davis situation where KAT demands a trade. If the team continues to fall short of anything better than an 8th seed and quick playoff exist, then KAT will eventually demand a trade before the end of his contract. Having Ryan as head coach mitigates that risk a bit. Ryan's presence here in that role could buy the Wolves an extra year perhaps to get on track before KAT makes the dreaded demand.
I would say we don't know the relationship between Kat and Saunders yet. Twice on TV, Kat has been seen telling Ryan get the fuck away from me. It's something to monitor.
