longstrangetrip wrote:I was listening to the ESPN morning show with Golic and they had Jimmy Butler on the other day. He refused to get caught up in comparing Simmons and Embid/Towns and Wigs, but he did mention that while he loves Thibs, the coaching schemes are completely different with all other coaches. Butler was explaining that it would take a little time for the team to mesh, but it was definitely a shot at Thibs.
How many times do you need to hear Thibs tell Rose to run the iso offense.
Ok. But to be fair... I'm still wondering how simply saying Thibs may not have lost the team... or that he isn't the worst coach in the history of the NBA... or that he shouldn't be impaled by a pitchfork immediately... is deemed being a "Thibs supporter?"
Perhaps we're spending too much time quibbling about labels. I chuckle when I am labeled a "thibs hater" when I know that is far from factual, and you don't like being called a Thibs supporter...fine. However if someone here has called Thibs "the worst coach in the history of the NBA", I must have missed that post. There's a chasm of difference between criticizing Thibs' rotations, sideline demeanor, and offensive/defensive strategies. and calling him the worst coach in history...I don't think there is anyone here that would seriously make that claim. I think Thibs is a guy who has had some success in the past and seems to know the game, but also seems to be a very poor game manager...and I think that is holding this team back, and I would love to see him replaced. If that adds up to being a Thibs hater, so be it.
I still feel there is a lot of evidence that indicates that he has lost this team, but I frankly don't find those who don't share my opinion "silly".
I've ripped Thibs in nearly every post... or at least added a disclaimer... nearly EVERY time... and you're calling me a "Thibs Supporter."
Sorry. That's absurd...
And grouping you and me together in any way on this topic is ridiculous... and not because one is a "hater" and one is a "supporter"
longstrangetrip wrote:Evaluating Thibs is a complicated exercise, so I get why there are still supporters here (although I suspect some of them just enjoy having a good argument). On the positive side, he talks basketball better than most coaches I listen too, certainly better than Sam Mitchell...he seems to have a lot of basketball knowledge. And I admit some of us Thibs detractors may be reading too much into Monday's post-game comments. But on the other hand, there is substantial evidence that Thibs has almost totally lost control of this team. Those that find themselves in town need to take in a game at TC to see this in person. The lack of attention many of the players showed while Thibs was talking during timeouts was astonishing to me Monday night. I think observing team behavior Monday night is what made the post-game comments so much more telling for me.
Are there still Thibs "supporters" here?
Who?
Yeah, fewer and fewer, abe. There are still some who point to the team's winning record last year, recent success, and fairly consistent offensive stats, and give Thibs a lot of credit for those things. I guess none of us really know how much credit Thibs deserves for the offense, and how much is primarily due to very talented players. I would say the division now is more between those who think Thibs has lost this team and those who don't believe that. Largely those in the first camp are those who attend more games and see the interaction between Thibs and his players and Thibs and his assistant coaches...it's quite telling.
Who?
Who thinks Thibs hasn't lost the team? I see a couple in this thread who say it's silly to suggest he has. None of us really know, but I am just saying the difference between the attention our players give Thibs compared to the attention opposing players give their coaches is quite apparent...I watch the benches very closely through my binocs.
So opining that Thibs doesn't seem to have lost the team considering they're on an 8 - 3 streak is being a "Thibs supporter?"
Tough crowd. I guess...
I was listening to the ESPN morning show with Golic and they had Jimmy Butler on the other day. He refused to get caught up in comparing Simmons and Embid/Towns and Wigs, but he did mention that while he loves Thibs, the coaching schemes are completely different with all other coaches. Butler was explaining that it would take a little time for the team to mesh, but it was definitely a shot at Thibs.
How many times do you need to hear Thibs tell Rose to run the iso offense.
Which team needs time to mesh? Us? Cause we're 8-3 since Butler. I haven't heard the interview, if anything that seems like Butler taking an (unintentional) shot at himself. The team is meshing and doing well without him and he's trying to downplay it by saying they'll take time to mesh
longstrangetrip wrote:Evaluating Thibs is a complicated exercise, so I get why there are still supporters here (although I suspect some of them just enjoy having a good argument). On the positive side, he talks basketball better than most coaches I listen too, certainly better than Sam Mitchell...he seems to have a lot of basketball knowledge. And I admit some of us Thibs detractors may be reading too much into Monday's post-game comments. But on the other hand, there is substantial evidence that Thibs has almost totally lost control of this team. Those that find themselves in town need to take in a game at TC to see this in person. The lack of attention many of the players showed while Thibs was talking during timeouts was astonishing to me Monday night. I think observing team behavior Monday night is what made the post-game comments so much more telling for me.
Are there still Thibs "supporters" here?
Who?
Yeah, fewer and fewer, abe. There are still some who point to the team's winning record last year, recent success, and fairly consistent offensive stats, and give Thibs a lot of credit for those things. I guess none of us really know how much credit Thibs deserves for the offense, and how much is primarily due to very talented players. I would say the division now is more between those who think Thibs has lost this team and those who don't believe that. Largely those in the first camp are those who attend more games and see the interaction between Thibs and his players and Thibs and his assistant coaches...it's quite telling.
Who?
Who thinks Thibs hasn't lost the team? I see a couple in this thread who say it's silly to suggest he has. None of us really know, but I am just saying the difference between the attention our players give Thibs compared to the attention opposing players give their coaches is quite apparent...I watch the benches very closely through my binocs.
So opining that Thibs doesn't seem to have lost the team considering they're on an 8 - 3 streak is being a "Thibs supporter?"
Tough crowd. I guess...
I was listening to the ESPN morning show with Golic and they had Jimmy Butler on the other day. He refused to get caught up in comparing Simmons and Embid/Towns and Wigs, but he did mention that while he loves Thibs, the coaching schemes are completely different with all other coaches. Butler was explaining that it would take a little time for the team to mesh, but it was definitely a shot at Thibs.
How many times do you need to hear Thibs tell Rose to run the iso offense.
Which team needs time to mesh? Us? Cause we're 8-3 since Butler. I haven't heard the interview, if anything that seems like Butler taking an (unintentional) shot at himself. The team is meshing and doing well without him and he's trying to downplay it by saying they'll take time to mesh
I just listened to this and the context was Golic said that when he switched teams in the NFL the verbiage was different but the schemes weren't that completely different and the verbiage was the toughest transition. Jimmy said it was different for him because Thibs is sooo different than the rest of the league that the lingo he was getting used to now was something to get used to. I'm unsure how that was different than what Golic laid out but whatever. Lol he also made some comment about the young guys jumping all over and being young and saying he has been old since he was 26. Jimmy is sorta weird/folksy/kinda funny and stuff all wrapped up in one. I do not miss him at all though.
