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Camden wrote:Kris Dunn over Jamal Murray is really my biggest gripe with the Wolves FO when it comes to the draft. Say what you will, but that one never made sense to me and the early results are overwhelming. Personally, I'm not going to penalize them for not plucking Donovan Mitchell, Kyle Kuzma, or Jordan Bell out of thin air because overall team fit and opportunity played a lot into those guys getting to where they're at. Not to mention, Mitchell did not look like he'd be anything near the player he was for Utah last season when he played at Louisville. Skill-wise, I thought he improved more in the summer before his rookie campaign than he did in two years in the NCAA. Couldn't have seen that coming.

Prematurely giving Gorgui Dieng his lucrative extension and giving Andrew Wiggins the mini-max contract, and signing journeyman Cole Aldrich were all mistakes that were vocalized at the time by myself and some others. None of those are my biggest issue with how this FO managed the cap situation. The summer of 2016 was the time to strike in free agency due to our core players being on rookie contracts and this franchise was timid and scared. It was our only real opportunity to make a splash via free agency and it was squandered away. The Wolves went thrift shopping and came away with Cole Aldrich, Jordan Hill, and Brandon Rush. That was disappointing. No real efforts were made to get a legitimate game-changer for fear of future luxury tax implications.

Imagine having gone all in on Al Horford and convincing him that Minnesota was the up-and-coming situation to be a part of (not THAT hard of a sell at the time, honestly), and then making the Jimmy Butler trade while retaining Jamal Murray. That's a potential championship recipe.


Cam - I agree with you on Dunn v Murray. I remember you were a big advocate for taking Murray and there's not doubt you've been proven right. I too would have preferred Murray. I'm not sure we could have made the Butler trade while retaining Murray unless we included Wiggins in the deal. Would I rather have Murray instead of Wiggins right now? Absolutely!

Mitchell and Kuzma would have fit just fine here. Butler missed nearly 25 games, Teague missed a stretch of games, our bench was terrible, Gorgui wasn't good and Wiggins got more minutes than he deserved. Then Rose came in and got a lot of minutes. So the opportunity for Mitchell and Kuzma to play and shine with the Wolves was there. No telling whether Thibodeau the head coach would have given them that playing time, but if he didn't that would be part of a missed opportunity. It's up the the PBO to identify and acquire the best talent. Then it's up to the head coach to play and develop that talent. Failing to draft guys like those two was clearly a missed opportunity by Thibs the PBO. That's the case regardless of whether Thibs the PBO didn't recognize their potential or just didn't see himself giving them playing time in his role as head coach.

I agree with you that the Gorgui contract was a mistake, but I just didn't see that failing into the "missed opportunity" bucket. But what bugs me the most is the fact that one year later Thibs the PBO spent big money to sign Taj Gibson and then Thibs the head coach relegated Gorgui to the bench behind Taj even though a few weeks earlier Thibs referred to Gorgui as the team's most improved player. I think the evidence shows Taj was a good get. The point is that Thibs should have traded Gorgui last summer after or before signing Taj. Gorgui actually had positive market value last summer coming off a pretty good season. Putting Gorgui on the bench diminished his play and his market value. I should have put failing to trade Gorgui last summer into the missed opportunity bucket because I suspect there was an opportunity to do that.
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Blaming a GM for missed hypothetical moves is always my favorite exercise. Here's my 3: 1. Not Getting Lebron 2. Not signing KD 3. Not trading Gorgui for Kyrie Irving.
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thedoper wrote:Blaming a GM for missed hypothetical moves is always my favorite exercise. Here's my 3: 1. Not Getting Lebron 2. Not signing KD 3. Not trading Gorgui for Kyrie Irving.


Haha. Seconded. We all point to guys that were drafted after of us and say "hey we could have had him!!"
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Many teams have these same or similar missed opportunities.
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The biggest miss was not just moving the whole state of MN to LA when the Lakers left so we could also benefit from a better market.
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thedoper wrote:Blaming a GM for missed hypothetical moves is always my favorite exercise. Here's my 3: 1. Not Getting Lebron 2. Not signing KD 3. Not trading Gorgui for Kyrie Irving.


Oh come on, Doper. That's idiotic and you should know better. The hypotheticals I suggested were realistic. Many of them were simply drafting players who were available. One was trading up fewer slots that Utah to get Mitchell.
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Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Many teams have these same or similar missed opportunities.


Now that's a fair and accurate response. But my point is that we need to hit on more opportunities than we have if we want to be a title contender. There's a reason most teams aren't title contenders. It's because most teams miss on opportunities to roughly the same degree as the Wolves. The Wolves hit paydirt picking KG 5th and he make the Wolves a playoff team for years, eventually leading us to the Western Conference finals after McHale took advantage of the opportunty to acquire both Sprewell and Cassell. The Wolves won 47 games last season. Hit on just one or two missed opportunities and we could have easily been a top 2 team. I'm sure we'll have opportunties going forward. We may very well have hit paydirt drafting Okogie and/or KDB. Stay tuned for that.

Honestly, this isn't rocket science. You either take advantage of realistic opportunties or you don't. The more times you do, the better your chances of success. Some people apparentlay have the dopey notion that it means something more -- like getting LeBron James when obviously that wasn't even remotely practical.
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lipoli390 wrote:
thedoper wrote:Blaming a GM for missed hypothetical moves is always my favorite exercise. Here's my 3: 1. Not Getting Lebron 2. Not signing KD 3. Not trading Gorgui for Kyrie Irving.


Oh come on, Doper. That's idiotic and you should know better. The hypotheticals I suggested were realistic. Many of them were simply drafting players who were available. One was trading up fewer slots that Utah to get Mitchell.

Of course it's idiotic. My humor tends to lean that direction. I didn't know hypothetical threads were supposed to be taken so seriously. My bad.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Many teams have these same or similar missed opportunities.


Now that's a fair and accurate response. But my point is that we need to hit on more opportunities than we have if we want to be a title contender. There's a reason most teams aren't title contenders. It's because most teams miss on opportunities to roughly the same degree as the Wolves. The Wolves hit paydirt picking KG 5th and he make the Wolves a playoff team for years, eventually leading us to the Western Conference finals after McHale took advantage of the opportunty to acquire both Sprewell and Cassell. The Wolves won 47 games last season. Hit on just one or two missed opportunities and we could have easily been a top 2 team. I'm sure we'll have opportunties going forward. We may very well have hit paydirt drafting Okogie and/or KDB. Stay tuned for that.

Honestly, this isn't rocket science. You either take advantage of realistic opportunties or you don't. The more times you do, the better your chances of success. Some people apparentlay have the dopey notion that it means something more -- like getting LeBron James when obviously that wasn't even remotely practical.


Ive come to the side of WildWolf. He's been saying for years that this is all a Glen Taylor issue. The sooner ownership changes the better.
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Any missed opportunity discussion regarding the Wolves starts and ends with taking Rubio and what's his name over Curry.
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