NY Post: Jimmy Butler’s Timberwolves frustration is now official

[Monster]

Firstly I'm going to take all these 'rumours' with a grain of salt. Reminds me of the years of Rubio to New York rumours we had to endure.

But if there is any truth to this you trade Butler as soon as possible and by the trade deadline at the absolute latest. Yes if he walks we get a consolation prize in cap space, but we need to get more than that. At least a promsing young player and future 1st round pick.

The problem is that Thibs is so infatuated with Jimmy that he will do everything he can to resign him until the point where it may be too late to get any return if he decides to sign elsewhere.

Trading away Jimmy is asking Thibs to hang himself. We miss the playoffs and Thibs gets fired if it happens so how is it fair to put that on Thibs as something he needs to do? You're telling a guy to get himself fired for the perceived betterment of a franchise he would no longer be a part of. How many of you are interested in throwing away your jobs to make the right move for your company?

Khans, I agree with you that thibs will never trade jimmy because it sets himself up to be fired soon after. And thibs is not sacrificing his job security for the future of the team.

On that note. I will add that I see thibs being fired after next season as a sure thing except for 1 possible outcome that might only save his job.

We make the playoffs as a lowseed and get bested in the first round. Thibs fired.

We miss the playoffs after coming close to making it ala denver last season. Thibs fired.

We have a season of dissaray where infighting and/or injuries happen. Thibs fired.

We make it as a top 4 seed. Got to the 2nd round. We started strong and jimmy, towns and wig figured it out together. A big kumbaya moment happen and we became a powerhouse team. Thibs MIGHT not get fired then and be allowed his 4th and last season by glen. But he alao he might get fired regardless.

In talking about thibs job security only. Odds are 90% that he gets canned after next season. His only chance is jimmy staying and that kumbaya moment happening and we became a powerhouse team. Otherwise, he is toast. Thibs is a lame duck coach and gm now. If we dont start hot next season, he is in serious trouble. He might even lose the team as they know he is not going to last.

Sadly, i cant see another team giving thibs a head coaching gig after his stay here and certainly not a president/gm position. He is looking at a assistant coach job as his future. That is why he will never trade jimmy. He sees him as his only chance of saving his job and as an ally in the locker room.

IMO the reason Thibs isn't trading Butler is likely because he thinks Butler is the best thing for the organization not to save his job. If he was really serious about only saving his job he would have probably traded away #20 for some way to improve the team quicker than a draft pick would. Of course Thins has seen plenty of young players the last couple years through the draft that have helped teams quickly.

EDIT: During World's Post I imagined him as Dr Strange going through all the possible outcomes to find the one possible outcome where we win. :)

[thedoper]

In the 30 year history of the franchise, what major free agent have we ever signed? Sprewell and Cassell were via trade. Was Teague the biggest free agent to come here? I can't remember anyone else. Depending on this franchise to build a contender through free agency is a reach at best. I'm just asking you guys to take a glass half empty look at what's going on here. Things don't tend to end up working in our favor.

Joe Smith hahaha. We had to sign him illegally though.

[worldK]

Firstly I'm going to take all these 'rumours' with a grain of salt. Reminds me of the years of Rubio to New York rumours we had to endure.

But if there is any truth to this you trade Butler as soon as possible and by the trade deadline at the absolute latest. Yes if he walks we get a consolation prize in cap space, but we need to get more than that. At least a promsing young player and future 1st round pick.

The problem is that Thibs is so infatuated with Jimmy that he will do everything he can to resign him until the point where it may be too late to get any return if he decides to sign elsewhere.

Trading away Jimmy is asking Thibs to hang himself. We miss the playoffs and Thibs gets fired if it happens so how is it fair to put that on Thibs as something he needs to do? You're telling a guy to get himself fired for the perceived betterment of a franchise he would no longer be a part of. How many of you are interested in throwing away your jobs to make the right move for your company?

Khans, I agree with you that thibs will never trade jimmy because it sets himself up to be fired soon after. And thibs is not sacrificing his job security for the future of the team.

On that note. I will add that I see thibs being fired after next season as a sure thing except for 1 possible outcome that might only save his job.

We make the playoffs as a lowseed and get bested in the first round. Thibs fired.

We miss the playoffs after coming close to making it ala denver last season. Thibs fired.

We have a season of dissaray where infighting and/or injuries happen. Thibs fired.

We make it as a top 4 seed. Got to the 2nd round. We started strong and jimmy, towns and wig figured it out together. A big kumbaya moment happen and we became a powerhouse team. Thibs MIGHT not get fired then and be allowed his 4th and last season by glen. But he alao he might get fired regardless.

In talking about thibs job security only. Odds are 90% that he gets canned after next season. His only chance is jimmy staying and that kumbaya moment happening and we became a powerhouse team. Otherwise, he is toast. Thibs is a lame duck coach and gm now. If we dont start hot next season, he is in serious trouble. He might even lose the team as they know he is not going to last.

Sadly, i cant see another team giving thibs a head coaching gig after his stay here and certainly not a president/gm position. He is looking at a assistant coach job as his future. That is why he will never trade jimmy. He sees him as his only chance of saving his job and as an ally in the locker room.

IMO the reason Thibs isn't trading Butler is likely because he thinks Butler is the best thing for the organization not to save his job. If he was really serious about only saving his job he would have probably traded away #20 for some way to improve the team quicker than a draft pick would. Of course Thins has seen plenty of young players the last couple years through the draft that have helped teams quickly.

EDIT: During World's Post I imagined him as Dr Strange going through all the possible outcomes to find the one possible outcome where we win. :)

Hah. I wish I am doctor strange and I can tell you guys now what our pathway to a championship is. That there is indeed light at the end of the tunnel for our belived franchise!

Kidding aside. You can definitely connect not trading butler and saving thibs job together. Butler healthy and able is our only sure fire way of making the playoffs this season. Playoffs success is the only way to keep thibs job beyond this season.

Take note, glen has never really publicly endorsed or compliment thibs on his performance as coach. Never. That is telling and he doesnt seem to have that good of a relationship to his coach AND team president. That cant be a good thing.

Glen has said that he is not giving up on wiggins. He will also never trade Towns. We keep hearing that you can trade the 20th pick for anayer who can help now. But looking back at it, can youngive an example of a player that can be had by trading our 20th pick this past draft? All we hear is that dieng might be package with the pick as a straight salary dump. History showed that we added chase budinger and martell webster by trading away the 18th picks we have in previous seasons.

Thibs in my view is a lame duck coach from hereon. His path to job security is a strong season with a successful playoff run. Butler is the catalysts for that path. Wiggins and towns taking big steps forward will impact out playoff run. Thibs need all that to happen this season and all 3 figuring it out and wanting to play together going forward. Otherwise, he is toast.

[Monster]

Firstly I'm going to take all these 'rumours' with a grain of salt. Reminds me of the years of Rubio to New York rumours we had to endure.

But if there is any truth to this you trade Butler as soon as possible and by the trade deadline at the absolute latest. Yes if he walks we get a consolation prize in cap space, but we need to get more than that. At least a promsing young player and future 1st round pick.

The problem is that Thibs is so infatuated with Jimmy that he will do everything he can to resign him until the point where it may be too late to get any return if he decides to sign elsewhere.

Trading away Jimmy is asking Thibs to hang himself. We miss the playoffs and Thibs gets fired if it happens so how is it fair to put that on Thibs as something he needs to do? You're telling a guy to get himself fired for the perceived betterment of a franchise he would no longer be a part of. How many of you are interested in throwing away your jobs to make the right move for your company?

Khans, I agree with you that thibs will never trade jimmy because it sets himself up to be fired soon after. And thibs is not sacrificing his job security for the future of the team.

On that note. I will add that I see thibs being fired after next season as a sure thing except for 1 possible outcome that might only save his job.

We make the playoffs as a lowseed and get bested in the first round. Thibs fired.

We miss the playoffs after coming close to making it ala denver last season. Thibs fired.

We have a season of dissaray where infighting and/or injuries happen. Thibs fired.

We make it as a top 4 seed. Got to the 2nd round. We started strong and jimmy, towns and wig figured it out together. A big kumbaya moment happen and we became a powerhouse team. Thibs MIGHT not get fired then and be allowed his 4th and last season by glen. But he alao he might get fired regardless.

In talking about thibs job security only. Odds are 90% that he gets canned after next season. His only chance is jimmy staying and that kumbaya moment happening and we became a powerhouse team. Otherwise, he is toast. Thibs is a lame duck coach and gm now. If we dont start hot next season, he is in serious trouble. He might even lose the team as they know he is not going to last.

Sadly, i cant see another team giving thibs a head coaching gig after his stay here and certainly not a president/gm position. He is looking at a assistant coach job as his future. That is why he will never trade jimmy. He sees him as his only chance of saving his job and as an ally in the locker room.

IMO the reason Thibs isn't trading Butler is likely because he thinks Butler is the best thing for the organization not to save his job. If he was really serious about only saving his job he would have probably traded away #20 for some way to improve the team quicker than a draft pick would. Of course Thins has seen plenty of young players the last couple years through the draft that have helped teams quickly.

EDIT: During World's Post I imagined him as Dr Strange going through all the possible outcomes to find the one possible outcome where we win. :)

Hah. I wish I am doctor strange and I can tell you guys now what our pathway to a championship is. That there is indeed light at the end of the tunnel for our belived franchise!

Kidding aside. You can definitely connect not trading butler and saving thibs job together. Butler healthy and able is our only sure fire way of making the playoffs this season. Playoffs success is the only way to keep thibs job beyond this season.

Take note, glen has never really publicly endorsed or compliment thibs on his performance as coach. Never. That is telling and he doesnt seem to have that good of a relationship to his coach AND team president. That cant be a good thing.

Glen has said that he is not giving up on wiggins. He will also never trade Towns. We keep hearing that you can trade the 20th pick for anayer who can help now. But looking back at it, can youngive an example of a player that can be had by trading our 20th pick this past draft? All we hear is that dieng might be package with the pick as a straight salary dump. History showed that we added chase budinger and martell webster by trading away the 18th picks we have in previous seasons.

Thibs in my view is a lame duck coach from hereon. His path to job security is a strong season with a successful playoff run. Butler is the catalysts for that path. Wiggins and towns taking big steps forward will impact out playoff run. Thibs need all that to happen this season and all 3 figuring it out and wanting to play together going forward. Otherwise, he is toast.

I agree with you on moving that #20 to get better. I'm not a fan of it. Personally ai think Thibs is smarter in that way than he is often given credit for.

To me with Thibs job upcoming it's lookinf at it from the outside or from Thibs point of view. Thibs came here to build a winner. All the stuff you said he has to do to save his job is why he has the job. Those are likely his goals. Butler is part of his plan for the franchise to achieve success not to save his job in the process.

Is Thibs a lame duck coach? That's a fair question but I also think that's going a little too far. Thibs has a contract for 2 years beyond this upcoming one and at this point has all the power. It can ALL be taken from him but there is nothing other than Glen not talking glowingly about him or whatever to suggest Thibs is in trouble. I'd say the seat is warm for him maybe pit up or shut up but Lame Duck coach seems too much for me. It's worth noting that it seems there are very positive reviews about the Wolves for their draft. That helps Thibs and Layden's case espcially if those guys actually contribute this season.

[thedoper]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

Glen should sell the team in the next couple of years for the betterment of the franchise. The common denominator in every one of these losing seasons is him. Say I'm being too harsh, but his inability to run a successful basketball franchise trickles down into a mess of a team. And I'd bet that his presence here is another reason why free agents just aren't flocking here. It's the James Dolan effect but the even norther version.

[Monster]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

Glen should sell the team in the next couple of years for the betterment of the franchise. The common denominator in every one of these losing seasons is him. Say I'm being too harsh, but his inability to run a successful basketball franchise trickles down into a mess of a team. And I'd bet that his presence here is another reason why free agents just aren't flocking here. It's the James Dolan effect but the even norther version.

I think Glen is part of the problem (or has been) but I don't think Glen is anywhere near the negative presence as Dolan. The guy is a complete punching bag around the league both because of his incompetence and basically being a dick. Glen might be bumbling and say some dumb stuff sometimes, but I'd be pretty surprised if he is hated by players. The Wolves have some of the best facilities in the league because of Glen. He has put quite a bit of money into this franchise the last couple of years.

The next question is whether the next owner (whenever that happens) is better than Glen. Would they be smart hands on owner or one that gets in the way because they think they know so much?

[Coolbreeze44]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

Glen should sell the team in the next couple of years for the betterment of the franchise. The common denominator in every one of these losing seasons is him. Say I'm being too harsh, but his inability to run a successful basketball franchise trickles down into a mess of a team. And I'd bet that his presence here is another reason why free agents just aren't flocking here. It's the James Dolan effect but the even norther version.

You're not being too harsh, you're telling it the way it is. I'll give him credit for bringing Flip back, it's the closest thing to credibility this franchise has had. But other than that he's made terrible decision after terrible decision. If he could just hire a smart basketball man to run the basketball operation, things would finally change. It shouldn't be so difficult.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

Glen should sell the team in the next couple of years for the betterment of the franchise. The common denominator in every one of these losing seasons is him. Say I'm being too harsh, but his inability to run a successful basketball franchise trickles down into a mess of a team. And I'd bet that his presence here is another reason why free agents just aren't flocking here. It's the James Dolan effect but the even norther version.

I think Glen is part of the problem (or has been) but I don't think Glen is anywhere near the negative presence as Dolan. The guy is a complete punching bag around the league both because of his incompetence and basically being a dick. Glen might be bumbling and say some dumb stuff sometimes, but I'd be pretty surprised if he is hated by players. The Wolves have some of the best facilities in the league because of Glen. He has put quite a bit of money into this franchise the last couple of years.

The next question is whether the next owner (whenever that happens) is better than Glen. Would they be smart hands on owner or one that gets in the way because they think they know so much?

The best owners in professional sports are hands off. They realize that this isn't their show to run despite "owning" the talent and arena. They hire deserving and qualified personnel to direct and manage the basketball side of things. It's the owners that try to get involved in singular moves -- or multiple moves -- that get themselves into trouble.

Good NBA owner examples: Peter Holt (Juilianna Holt now owns the Spurs), Mickey Arison, Joe Lacob

Bad NBA owner examples: Michael Jordan, Glen Taylor, James Dolan.

[thedoper]

If Thibs actually got fired I have zero confidence in Glen hiring the right guy for the job. That would easily be the beginning of another slip into oblivion.

Glen should sell the team in the next couple of years for the betterment of the franchise. The common denominator in every one of these losing seasons is him. Say I'm being too harsh, but his inability to run a successful basketball franchise trickles down into a mess of a team. And I'd bet that his presence here is another reason why free agents just aren't flocking here. It's the James Dolan effect but the even norther version.

I don't think you're being too harsh at all. The more Glen gets involved with basketball decisions, the more nervous I get. I hope he sells.