2018 NBA Draft

[mrhockey89]

Lip, just to confirm..your source is saying it'll be Dieng + #20 for #1 overall, right? ;)

And signing Rose to a non-minimum deal ought to excite Tyus. Wonder if Thibs can sign Darko for the full MLE?

[Lipoli390]

I asked my friend if he could get some more information from his source. He said his source told him earlier today that it would be Dieng and #20 for a future pick. But apparently he didn't specify the round or provide any other info. Apparently, they were having a conversation earlier today and my friend asked him if he had any idea what the Wolves would be doing this off-season. His response was that the Wolves were going to trade #20 and Gorgui for a future pick to get Gorgui's salary off the books to avoid the luxury tax. He said the Wolves would definitely re-sign Rose for what would probably be more than the vet minimum. I'm guessing it will be the Biennial Exception. My friend's going to talk to this guy tomorrow morning, so maybe we can get some more information. I'll relay what I hear.

[Lipoli390]

Lip, just to confirm..your source is saying it'll be Dieng + #20 for #1 overall, right? ;)

And signing Rose to a non-minimum deal ought to excite Tyus. Wonder if Thibs can sign Darko for the full MLE?

Lol. Good one, Hockey. I've always held out hope that Darko would return to the Wolves one day. Maybe that day is near. :). Tyus expressed his frustration at the lack of playing time. so what does Thibs do? He signs Derrick Rose. Why play Tyus when you can get Derrick Rose? Who knows. Maybe Derrick will play more games than his misses next season. Maybe we'll finally trade Tyus. We were only the 7th oldest team in the League last season. Maybe we can crack the top 5 trading our first round pick and trading Tyus for an older vet.

[Monster]

I asked my friend if he could get some more information from his source. He said his source told him it would be Dieng and #20 for a future pick. But apparently he didn't specific the round or provide any other info. Apparently, they were having a conversation earlier today and my friend asked him if he had any idea what the Wolves would be doing this off-season. His response was that the Wolves were going to trade #20 and Gorgui for a future pick to get Gorgui's salary off the books to avoid the luxury tax. He said the Wolves would definitely re-sign Rose and would probably be for more than the vet minimum. I'm guessing it will be the Biennial Exception. My friend's going to talk to this guy tomorrow morning, so maybe we can get some more information. I'll relay what I hear.

It's only a few hours before we find out if this happens or not. :) I still think Rose might sign for the vet min but if it's the BAE he gets I can probably live with that but it's not my preference.

Let's say this trade did go down I think it could be viewed differently by many fans if they were able to to get a 2nd pick in the 2nd round/move up a few spots to get one of those wings we all like OR if they end up with a rotation player they select at #48.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I find it really hard to believe that we would not get a first or a player back from the proposed Dieng deal. When you are up against the luxury tax late first round picks are a gold mine of cheap rotation players you need. We'll see. I don't really get why there are luxury tax concerns this year. Keep the pick and just don't use the full MLE if you have to. That's like 5 million available and the market is not gonna pay many guys this summer because nobody has space.

[Lipoli390]

I asked my friend if he could get some more information from his source. He said his source told him it would be Dieng and #20 for a future pick. But apparently he didn't specific the round or provide any other info. Apparently, they were having a conversation earlier today and my friend asked him if he had any idea what the Wolves would be doing this off-season. His response was that the Wolves were going to trade #20 and Gorgui for a future pick to get Gorgui's salary off the books to avoid the luxury tax. He said the Wolves would definitely re-sign Rose and would probably be for more than the vet minimum. I'm guessing it will be the Biennial Exception. My friend's going to talk to this guy tomorrow morning, so maybe we can get some more information. I'll relay what I hear.

It's only a few hours before we find out if this happens or not. :) I still think Rose might sign for the vet min but if it's the BAE he gets I can probably live with that but it's not my preference.

Let's say this trade did go down I think it could be viewed differently by many fans if they were able to to get a 2nd pick in the 2nd round/move up a few spots to get one of those wings we all like OR if they end up with a rotation player they select at #48.

I can't be happy with giving up a first round pick to dump salary unless it's to clear space to make a run for an elite player, which obviously it not what this is about since it still won't put us below the cap. I can accept it if its for a first round pick next season with the chance to be higher than #20. But we need to add young talent to this roster and the sooner we get that young talent here the better to start developing and helping the team. There are a number of good wings likely to be available around #20 in this draft. It seems like a perfect opportunity to add young talent at a position of need.

[Lipoli390]

I find it really hard to believe that we would not get a first or a player back from the proposed Dieng deal. When you are up against the luxury tax late first round picks are a gold mine of cheap rotation players you need. We'll see. I don't really get why there are luxury tax concerns this year. Keep the pick and just don't use the full MLE if you have to. That's like 5 million available and the market is not gonna pay many guys this summer because nobody has space.

I agree, Kahns. Let's hope this source turns out to be wrong. It's a Chicago source who would have known about the Butler deal. But unless the trading partner is Chicago, I'm thinking this guy might be guessing about this one. My friend said his source said it was going to happen, but we'll see. Interestingly, Chicago is one of those teams that could absorb the salary without giving giving up a player in return. But I can't see Chicago wanting to take on Gorgui's salary for three more years.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

I find it really hard to believe that we would not get a first or a player back from the proposed Dieng deal. When you are up against the luxury tax late first round picks are a gold mine of cheap rotation players you need. We'll see. I don't really get why there are luxury tax concerns this year. Keep the pick and just don't use the full MLE if you have to. That's like 5 million available and the market is not gonna pay many guys this summer because nobody has space.

I agree, Kahns. Let's hope this source turns out to be wrong. It's a Chicago source who would have known about the Butler deal. But unless the trading partner is Chicago, I'm thinking this guy might be guessing about this one. My friend said his source said it was going to happen, but we'll see. Interestingly, Chicago is one of those teams that could absorb the salary without giving giving up a player in return. But I can't see Chicago wanting to take on Gorgui's salary for three more years.

If its a chicago source;

maybe a lopez + future first for dieng and 20 is in play.

[Monster]

I asked my friend if he could get some more information from his source. He said his source told him it would be Dieng and #20 for a future pick. But apparently he didn't specific the round or provide any other info. Apparently, they were having a conversation earlier today and my friend asked him if he had any idea what the Wolves would be doing this off-season. His response was that the Wolves were going to trade #20 and Gorgui for a future pick to get Gorgui's salary off the books to avoid the luxury tax. He said the Wolves would definitely re-sign Rose and would probably be for more than the vet minimum. I'm guessing it will be the Biennial Exception. My friend's going to talk to this guy tomorrow morning, so maybe we can get some more information. I'll relay what I hear.

It's only a few hours before we find out if this happens or not. :) I still think Rose might sign for the vet min but if it's the BAE he gets I can probably live with that but it's not my preference.

Let's say this trade did go down I think it could be viewed differently by many fans if they were able to to get a 2nd pick in the 2nd round/move up a few spots to get one of those wings we all like OR if they end up with a rotation player they select at #48.

I can't be happy with giving up a first round pick to dump salary unless it's to clear space to make a run for an elite player, which obviously it not what this is about since it still won't put us below the cap. I can accept it if its for a first round pick next season with the chance to be higher than #20. But we need to add young talent to this roster and the sooner we get that young talent here the better to start developing and helping the team. There are a number of good wings likely to be available around #20 in this draft. It seems like a perfect opportunity to add young talent at a position of need.

Lip the point of my post was that people would view this trade differently and likely more positively if the Wolves basically get the level of player one way or another with a later pick than they would with #20. I know that's a lot to ask but like I said IF the Wolves somehow moved up a few spots in the 2nd round it becomes a bit more realistic. It's been reported by several people that it's viewed that picks about 20-40 the talent level is pretty similar.

Nobody is really interested in trading away a 1st round pick to dump a contract. I'll say this though if the Wolves somehow move Dieng and #20 and basically take back no salary or even get some worthwhile rotation player back that's an expiring...it would be kinda impressive to have shed that much salary for that one pick and as you know I still think Dieng has some value as a player. The next question that we share concerns about is what do the Wolves do with their new found breathing room when it comes to salary? If they use that room wisely even down the road then it might not be such a bad deal. Did your source say if a Butler extension is another possibility with the cap space from dealing Dieng? I don't remember for sure but it seems like if the Wolves could get an extension done this summer it would actually lock Butler in at a lower rate than he would get next summer. I know some people aren't really up for commiting to Butler long term but to me if you can get him signed to a deal that's lower than the possible max deal he could get next summer that has some intruige for me. If this deal ended up saving the Wolves nearly 20 million a year for 2 consecutive years (2019-2020and 2020-2021) in salaries between Dieng And Butler's lower max extension...that's a pretty healthy sum of money for just a first round pick. Just to be clear I want to keep the pick and I wouldn't donthe deal but IF the savings against payroll is really significant AND the Wolves wisely utilize that it's a very defensible deal. Lots of ifs and but we are about 12 hours away from having answers!

[rapsuperstar31]

I asked my friend if he could get some more information from his source. He said his source told him it would be Dieng and #20 for a future pick. But apparently he didn't specific the round or provide any other info. Apparently, they were having a conversation earlier today and my friend asked him if he had any idea what the Wolves would be doing this off-season. His response was that the Wolves were going to trade #20 and Gorgui for a future pick to get Gorgui's salary off the books to avoid the luxury tax. He said the Wolves would definitely re-sign Rose and would probably be for more than the vet minimum. I'm guessing it will be the Biennial Exception. My friend's going to talk to this guy tomorrow morning, so maybe we can get some more information. I'll relay what I hear.

It's only a few hours before we find out if this happens or not. :) I still think Rose might sign for the vet min but if it's the BAE he gets I can probably live with that but it's not my preference.

Let's say this trade did go down I think it could be viewed differently by many fans if they were able to to get a 2nd pick in the 2nd round/move up a few spots to get one of those wings we all like OR if they end up with a rotation player they select at #48.

I can't be happy with giving up a first round pick to dump salary unless it's to clear space to make a run for an elite player, which obviously it not what this is about since it still won't put us below the cap. I can accept it if its for a first round pick next season with the chance to be higher than #20. But we need to add young talent to this roster and the sooner we get that young talent here the better to start developing and helping the team. There are a number of good wings likely to be available around #20 in this draft. It seems like a perfect opportunity to add young talent at a position of need.

Lip the point of my post was that people would view this trade differently and likely more positively if the Wolves basically get the level of player one way or another with a later pick than they would with #20. I know that's a lot to ask but like I said IF the Wolves somehow moved up a few spots in the 2nd round it becomes a bit more realistic. It's been reported by several people that it's viewed that picks about 20-40 the talent level is pretty similar.

Nobody is really interested in trading away a 1st round pick to dump a contract. I'll say this though if the Wolves somehow move Dieng and #20 and basically take back no salary or even get some worthwhile rotation player back that's an expiring...it would be kinda impressive to have shed that much salary for that one pick and as you know I still think Dieng has some value as a player. The next question that we share concerns about is what do the Wolves do with their new found breathing room when it comes to salary? If they use that room wisely even down the road then it might not be such a bad deal. Did your source say if a Butler extension is another possibility with the cap space from dealing Dieng? I don't remember for sure but it seems like if the Wolves could get an extension done this summer it would actually lock Butler in at a lower rate than he would get next summer. I know some people aren't really up for commiting to Butler long term but to me if you can get him signed to a deal that's lower than the possible max deal he could get next summer that has some intruige for me. If this deal ended up saving the Wolves nearly 20 million a year for 2 consecutive years (2019-2020and 2020-2021) in salaries between Dieng And Butler's lower max extension...that's a pretty healthy sum of money for just a first round pick. Just to be clear I want to keep the pick and I wouldn't donthe deal but IF the savings against payroll is really significant AND the Wolves wisely utilize that it's a very defensible deal. Lots of ifs and but we are about 12 hours away from having answers!

I believe I read somewhere if we wanted to redo Butlers contract this Summer we need to cut our salary to about 4 million under the cap, so we would need to cut it all the way to around 96ish million to bump his salary up and extend him 5 years. I am really hoping to get one of the shooters in this draft so if we do move Dieng and the first for nothing this year I hope we can at least buy a draft pick like LA just did from Philly. One trade I may explore would be with Atlanta, Dieng and 20 for Dedmon and either 30 or 34. Dedmon opted in and would be a good get if available plus we could still get a decent player while giving Atlanta more fuel to improve or move up in the draft. If the goal is redoing Butlers contract we may not do this type of deal, or would do this type of deal but would still have to trade out of another big salary like Teagues.