CoolBreeze44 wrote:mrhockey89 wrote:Pork, you're right it's a bit refreshing to know that it probably doesn't matter anyway. With that said, it'd stink to lose Butler for nothing in a year (I'm on board with trading him at the deadline because I think he and Kyrie have already made their minds up that they're going to NYK.
I think what's most disappointing though is that with all these young assets, Thibs basically traded half of them away to get us competing now, and it's likely to be gone in an instant. Mortgaged our future on guys like Rubio who wanted to be here (to get older with Teague), Lavine, Maarkinan, and Dunn, and we're going to have very little to show for it, outside of a taste of the playoffs. Perhaps there's a value in the team making the playoffs, but in a year or so when we're back at square 2 (not square 1 since we'll have Towns still), we will be back to the basement and wondering if Towns will walk after his 2nd contract or if he'll have the loyalty to stick it out while our younger guys improve.
Sad to say, but it looks like the 76ers did it right
Spot on post Hockey. When you can take the emotion out of having a taste of the playoffs you are left with basically nothing to show for this current rebuild. I agree totally.
See I don't necessarily disagree with you at the end of the day we are not looking like a title contender. I still don't blame thibs for going with it. I am a gambler so maybe this is why I still don't have a problem with it. Going back to last offseason in my head I was like, If Kat and Wiggins take the necessary steps that they are going to need to take no matter who is the coach or the surrounding players to win a championship we might be able to compete for a championship. If wiggins developed into an all star we would have had 2 all star wings that could make Durant and Thompson work on both ends. We had one of the only players in the NBA that owns Draymond and that is Kat, so the Warriors might of been forced to play big because of that. I also was fine with the Teague play because I think Teague would have made Curry work more on the defensive end than Rubio shown to that point. Also we got a future asset in the 1st round pick.
Now in the end things have went wrong and blame can go around in multiple ways. Wiggins has not developed even close to where he needs to be (I am still a wiggins backer), Kat has shown no improvement on defense what is huge in todays NBA being a big. One of the first round picks we got in the Butler trade has not played and is hurt again (poor luck).
Now in the end we cashed in some of our future assets to try and make a run at it but would we really be in any better spot if we didn't. We would have 47 million locked up in 2 players with potential but have not shown anything tangible of being above average NBA players in Lavine and Wiggins. Dunn is now fighting with his 2nd NBA coach in his 2nd year and the coaches are on the complete opposite spectrum in personality so it seems like it is more a Dunn problem. Also even when Dunn is playing he is a bottom 1/4th starting PG. Now Maarkanan looks good, now how good will he become is yet to see. Also people talk a lot about Rubio trade. Would you rather have Rubio and the 5 mil we had in cap space or Teague and Okoogie, also got to put in consideration Rubio will be a free agent next year when almost the whole league has cap space.
In the end things went wrong, the Gorugi contract is not dependable especially when he didn't have potential to be more than a role player and you shouldn't ever extend role players pre-free agency. In my opinion we are in a bad spot with the Butler trade or without the Butler trade, but we are mad because we are seeing how things are playing out so the unknown seems so much better ( a reason why I think this board has been more mad this year with a winning team than all the losses over the years because the unknown and hope of the lottery can change things.)
People also mention the Sixers a lot with us and I get it. But they also made terrible picks in Noel, Okafor, looking like Taytum for Fultz, MCW. But they didn't do it right, the reason they are better is because Embiid is a better 2 way player than Kat (Kat could end up better if he figures out defense) and Simmons is a top 25 player in the league while Wiggins at this moment is maybe a top 150 player. At the end of the day they play in the East and their 2 young studs are better than our 2 young studs.
