Game Report - Wolves v. Nuggets

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Mstermisty wrote:Kevin Lynch took a break from disparaging Rubio in the post game last night and made a good point: do we really need to carry 4 point guards when we could use a big body to bang down low? I think Tyus is more than proven he can be the 3rd point guard and be the backup when Rubio or Dunn are out, so maybe it's time to punt Lucas and work on finding a guy who can give us 10 to 15 minutes of banging. I don't know who that guy would be but you would think we could come up someone. Could even play Pek for 10 minutes--just have him stand on the defensive end under the hoop for half a quarter and flex his tattoo.


Isn't that big body supposed to be Cole Aldrich? Yet even he can really only be played 15 or so minutes per night because of his limitations.

The larger problem is that Aldrich and Bazz are literally the only players on our C-PF-SF rotation that have NBA-level bulk/strength. Everyone else is on the light side - KAT, Dieng, Wiggins, and Bjelly.

As Thibs in his POBO capacity thinks about what changes to make, the bulk/strength deficit along the front line has to be crossing his mind.
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Can't we just trade Rubio for Okafor and move forward with the growth of our youngsters now? Dunn isn't perfect yet but has already shown that he can hang and our team can play well despite his inexperience. Granted they can also play like horseshit with him at the point. But once the extremes get tightened up this is a good team even if Dunn shoots like Rubio.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:How did Dunn look compared to Mudiay?


I thought Dunn was superior to Mudiay on both sides of the ball. BTW, I also think that Jameer Nelson is far superior as a PG than Mudiay...it wasn't lost on me how much better Denver played last year after Mudiay got hurt.

Now to be fair, even though Dunn is the rookie and Mudiay the second year player, Dunn is older and perhaps should be playing better than Mudiay. I'm not giving up on Mudiay...he's a terrific athlete and a good defender (although he shoots much worse than ricky), but he's not a very good NBA PG right now.
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Q12543 wrote:
Mstermisty wrote:Kevin Lynch took a break from disparaging Rubio in the post game last night and made a good point: do we really need to carry 4 point guards when we could use a big body to bang down low? I think Tyus is more than proven he can be the 3rd point guard and be the backup when Rubio or Dunn are out, so maybe it's time to punt Lucas and work on finding a guy who can give us 10 to 15 minutes of banging. I don't know who that guy would be but you would think we could come up someone. Could even play Pek for 10 minutes--just have him stand on the defensive end under the hoop for half a quarter and flex his tattoo.


Isn't that big body supposed to be Cole Aldrich? Yet even he can really only be played 15 or so minutes per night because of his limitations.

The larger problem is that Aldrich and Bazz are literally the only players on our C-PF-SF rotation that have NBA-level bulk/strength. Everyone else is on the light side - KAT, Dieng, Wiggins, and Bjelly.

As Thibs in his POBO capacity thinks about what changes to make, the bulk/strength deficit along the front line has to be crossing his mind.


Jordan Hill has played very limited minites and he has had stretches of useful play in his career. He's better than anyone available for the 15th spot if we cut Lucas.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
CoolBreeze44 wrote:I don't do this often, but a little stat checking from the last couple games that were competitive in the 4th quarter (games 2 & 4):

Last 5 minutes vs Denver

Wiggins 2-3
Rest of team 0-5 (including 0-2 from last night's star (Belly)
Wiggins 4 points
Rest of team 2 points

Last 5:15 at Sacramento

Wiggins 3-4
Rest of team 2-6
Wiggins 9 points
Rest of team 4 points


Conclusion: I don't think Wig is our problem at the end of games. Nor has he been for his entire career.


I agree cool. Wigg has been great this year. If you look at that air ball possession we looked so lost on what we were running but wiggins has to do better on that and I think you would agree but overall that was a super ugly possession.

On your bench point I agree belly played alright some good some bad but that is the wolves problem again this year we NEED belly to play well off the bench because he is the only one who can create/score in the flow of the offense off the bench.

One last thing I would love the wolves to go Wilson chandler. Don't know what it would take but I have always has a crush on his game he is so solid at everything and would make the bench so much better


The only problem with wilson chandler is he has had a difficult time staying healthy. I like him a lot too when he can actually play.

Oh and good post on Wiggins Cool.
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khans2k5 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
Mstermisty wrote:Kevin Lynch took a break from disparaging Rubio in the post game last night and made a good point: do we really need to carry 4 point guards when we could use a big body to bang down low? I think Tyus is more than proven he can be the 3rd point guard and be the backup when Rubio or Dunn are out, so maybe it's time to punt Lucas and work on finding a guy who can give us 10 to 15 minutes of banging. I don't know who that guy would be but you would think we could come up someone. Could even play Pek for 10 minutes--just have him stand on the defensive end under the hoop for half a quarter and flex his tattoo.


Isn't that big body supposed to be Cole Aldrich? Yet even he can really only be played 15 or so minutes per night because of his limitations.

The larger problem is that Aldrich and Bazz are literally the only players on our C-PF-SF rotation that have NBA-level bulk/strength. Everyone else is on the light side - KAT, Dieng, Wiggins, and Bjelly.

As Thibs in his POBO capacity thinks about what changes to make, the bulk/strength deficit along the front line has to be crossing his mind.


Jordan Hill has played very limited minites and he has had stretches of useful play in his career. He's better than anyone available for the 15th spot if we cut Lucas.


They could also cut Payne. Neither guy are of any significance to me but if they like Alicia for something fine cut Payne. There isn't anything standing in the way of bringing in some beef if they want to. As it's been mentioned is that big body going to be good enough to play? Eh idk. Jordon Hill isn't big anymore either he makes Dieng looks beastly.
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longstrangetrip wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:How did Dunn look compared to Mudiay?


I thought Dunn was superior to Mudiay on both sides of the ball. BTW, I also think that Jameer Nelson is far superior as a PG than Mudiay...it wasn't lost on me how much better Denver played last year after Mudiay got hurt.

Now to be fair, even though Dunn is the rookie and Mudiay the second year player, Dunn is older and perhaps should be playing better than Mudiay. I'm not giving up on Mudiay...he's a terrific athlete and a good defender (although he shoots much worse than ricky), but he's not a very good NBA PG right now.


I agree with what has been said. Mudiay is just raw right now but he also isn't worthless out there. Dunn was just owning him defensively and Lavine did well on him when he was switched to him as well. The guy is a big athletic PG that can handle the ball. I don't know what his upside is but it's certainly there.
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Me after reading a winning game report: Wooohooo!!! This team is awesome! Playoffs, here we come!!!

Me after reading a losing game report one day later: Ugh, fuck it, these guys suck. What's the point of it all?
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longstrangetrip wrote:I agree with your assessment that so far Dunn and Rubio are more alike than different, Q...their strengths and weaknesses are quite similar. I would add that both are more effective when they think pass-first...there is so much fire power next to them that their below average shooting doesn't have to be a huge negative.

I would also add that the effectiveness order of our PGs is quite clear also...Rubio, then Dunn, then Tyus. But I think the gap is narrower than I would have thought coming into this season, and that's a very good thing. Here's what I think is the ideal scenario for this club. Ricky comes back healthy and continues to do the things he does to make those around him better. Meanwhile, Dunn thrives in a backup role, and continues to progress as a competent PG so that Thibs can envision him becoming the starter. If those two things happen, I would likely be on board with considering dealing Ricky mid-season. Rubio is a guy who always seems to be in demand, and a solid half season will only increase his value. I trust Thibs' judgement, and by mid-season he will have a better idea if Dunn/Jones can be our PG tandem going forward, and also what this team needs that Ricky can bring back in trade. If it doesn't happen, we'll be fine...what a luxury to have a backup PG like Dunn who can also play some SG.


Another thing both Rubio and Dunn excel at is long passes in transition. Dunn is actually pretty impressive and it carries over from what I saw in college. In transition you expect Dunn as a big athletic player to be dynamite once he gets inside the 3 point line but his decision making isn't the best and he isn't spectacular as a finisher either. Can and will he improve there? Yes I think he will but it's oddly because of his physical profile it's not a major strength for him now.

I'm looking forward to seeing Dunn play against OKC for sure defensively. What can he do matched up against Russ and even VO? Will he be exposed or will he continue to impress? I'm excited to find out. His defensive potential is obvious. His upside as a defender is significant. He is quicker more athletic and will likely be stronger as well. So if he has a lot of the defensive abilities of Rubio he will get more deflections block shots challaenge and stay in front of player even more because of his physical abilities. Rubio isn't an explosive athlete but at least he has smarts plays his butt off and has plenty of length. Dunn could be a Tony Allen like defender. That's damn good especially for a guy that looks like he will be good enough to play PG.

Back to Dunn as a PG. He was too slow to get the ball to some guys in the post and he seems a little unsure at times but I think he looks like a guy that can keep the ball moving not just stand and dribble for 10 seconds basically doing nothing worthwhile. It's obvious at times he is holding back from attacking and trying to score and it's probably good a majority of the time especially as a starter. obviously he has more abilities to create that just move the ball but I like that aspect of his game. He doesn't seem like a guy that HAS to have the ball in his hands to play PG. That could be very good considering at times you want to get the ball to Towns Wiggins Lavine and let them make things happen or even let Dieng facilitate either in 2 man game or out of the highpost area where he is pretty good at passing to cutters and Dunn may be able to do some damage there he has already got a couple hoops that way this season.
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thedoper wrote:https://soundcloud.com/wolves-radio/post16_thibs_1103

Thibs postgame. I think he's a great coach. These guys need a steady hand. Gorgui single handed f-d us out of that game. They need to be taught how to be a team. They've shown glimpses and that's exciting. It will be rocky at first but I am still confident.
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