Final Pre-Deadline Trade Proposals

[mjs34]

Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.

Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.

[mjs34]

Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.

Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.

Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.

I don't necessarily disagree with your initial premise (in theory) and it's a legit take. It's REALLY hard to find players as talented as KAT.

But then you lose me on your defensive solution. So all we need to do is show more on the PnR? That's it? While I think that is sometimes a viable PnR defensive strategy, it can also lead to wide open dunks for rolling bigs. And guess how that gets stopped? By bringing a guy off the wing to dive into the paint, therefore leaving someone open for a wide open 3. There is a reason teams like the Bucks play drop coverage.

KAT wasn't a problem when KG played next to him because.....freakin' one of the greatest defensive bigs in the game palyed next to him!!!! He also had Prince on the wing. So to his right was KG and to his left was Prince. And at PG we had Ricky Rubio.

[mjs34]

Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.

Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.

I don't necessarily disagree with your initial premise (in theory) and it's a legit take. It's REALLY hard to find players as talented as KAT.

But then you lose me on your defensive solution. So all we need to do is show more on the PnR? That's it? While I think that is sometimes a viable PnR defensive strategy, it can also lead to wide open dunks for rolling bigs. And guess how that gets stopped? By bringing a guy off the wing to dive into the paint, therefore leaving someone open for a wide open 3. There is a reason teams like the Bucks play drop coverage.

KAT wasn't a problem when KG played next to him because.....freakin' one of the greatest defensive bigs in the game palyed next to him!!!! He also had Prince on the wing. So to his right was KG and to his left was Prince. And at PG we had Ricky Rubio.

KG played limited minutes in his last season so that doesn't explain everything, but what does happen when you get out and show with your seven footer is it takes away the passing lane to that open corner three-man on the weak side forcing them to pass the ball around the perimeter which gives you time to get back out to that man.

I'm not an expert on how Milwaukee plays defense but of the games I have watched they show a lot on the pick and roll. Maybe we saw drop coverage because our outside guys can't shoot the basketball.

[Papalrep]

papalrep wrote:
what if we got a beast defensive center, shot blocker, paint plugger, whatever. We move KAT to the 4. Would KAT not be able to play the 4 at a Tim Duncan level? I don't recall the Big Fundamental being known for defense.

Wigs for Drummond!

I mean Tim Duncan is a 15 time all defensive player. Also Drummond is also a average defender at best. He is an elite rebounder though.

Had no idea Duncan played that well defensively. Now that I have demonstrated how much I don't know, what do you think of the concept of moving KAT to forward and plugging in a defensive center? I am thinking this frees KAT up to do more of what he does best.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Some of you act as if we could just get another top 15 player. You dump your coaching staff, you dump your front office, you sell the freaking team if you have to, but you don't give up the ultra talented players in the NBA. Stop acting like this is some tough thing to solve because it isn't. start showing on the pick and roll, and the Majority of your defensive problems will be fixed.

Why wasn't KAT a problem when KG played next to him? Because Mitchell had our big showing on the pick and roll. They spent 25 minutes on the first day of camp getting Gorgui to come out of the paint to show on the pick and roll.

I don't necessarily disagree with your initial premise (in theory) and it's a legit take. It's REALLY hard to find players as talented as KAT.

But then you lose me on your defensive solution. So all we need to do is show more on the PnR? That's it? While I think that is sometimes a viable PnR defensive strategy, it can also lead to wide open dunks for rolling bigs. And guess how that gets stopped? By bringing a guy off the wing to dive into the paint, therefore leaving someone open for a wide open 3. There is a reason teams like the Bucks play drop coverage.

KAT wasn't a problem when KG played next to him because.....freakin' one of the greatest defensive bigs in the game palyed next to him!!!! He also had Prince on the wing. So to his right was KG and to his left was Prince. And at PG we had Ricky Rubio.

KG played limited minutes in his last season so that doesn't explain everythingKG played limited minutes in his last season so that doesn't explain everything, but what does happen when you get out and show with your seven footer is it takes away the passing lane to that open corner three-man on the weak side forcing them to pass the ball around the perimeter which gives you time to get back out to that man.

I'm not an expert on how Milwaukee plays defense but of the games I have watched they show a lot on the pick and roll. Maybe we saw drop coverage because our outside guys can't shoot the basketball.

It actually does explain everything. We ended up 28th in Drtg that season precisely because KG didn't play a lot. When he was on the floor, the team defensive rating was 97.5, which is incredibly low. KAT's was awful as long as KG wasn't on the floor.

The Bucks basically make drop coverage a core tenet of their defense. It's meant to first and foremost protect the rim. What it gives up is mid-range jumpers and floaters. But those are lower point per possession shots than layups, dunks and catch-and-shoot 3's. Minnesota has installed a similar scheme...they just don't do it as well.

[Crazysauce]

I would say we deal Roco to LAC for Montrez Harrell.

Then i would turn around and deal Okogie for Hield.

[kekgeek]

I would say we deal Roco to LAC for Montrez Harrell.

Then i would turn around and deal Okogie for Hield.

Harrell is a FA at the end of the year so he can just turn around and walk, also I don't believe the Clippers are looking for more wings they are looking for bigger size.

Hield can't be traded until this offseason, they wouldn't do Okogie for Hield and more money needs to be attached to Okogie to make the money work financially.

[kekgeek]

papalrep wrote:
what if we got a beast defensive center, shot blocker, paint plugger, whatever. We move KAT to the 4. Would KAT not be able to play the 4 at a Tim Duncan level? I don't recall the Big Fundamental being known for defense.

Wigs for Drummond!

I mean Tim Duncan is a 15 time all defensive player. Also Drummond is also a average defender at best. He is an elite rebounder though.

Had no idea Duncan played that well defensively. Now that I have demonstrated how much I don't know, what do you think of the concept of moving KAT to forward and plugging in a defensive center? I am thinking this frees KAT up to do more of what he does best.

Me personally I don't know if it is going to work but I would love to give it a try. I have hated this year that they haven't even experimented with 2 bigs together. I don't think it is part of Rosas/Saunders plan so it might work in theory I just don't think it is going to happen.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Papal, Your (very logical) idea of moving KAT to the 4 is EXACTLY what many Wolves fans have been talking about for a while now. Just let him do what he does best, which is shoot, score, pass, and play offense. He should be at the fulcrum of everything we do at that end.

Rosas can't say on the one hand he is building everything around KAT, then on the other hand do nothing to help cover up his main weakness.