Defense and kat

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

[Coolbreeze44]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

Durant/Curry = centerpiece
Lebron = centerpiece
Kawhi = centerpiece

You're always complaining about what guys are being paid. If you can't identify Towns as the centerpiece on this team, he is overpaid. You can't have it both ways.

[kekgeek]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

I don't think anyone is saying the Kat is the main problem. Kat is by far our best player. I think it just goes to what you think will be fastest most consistent way to build a contender. Here are the Centers that Have one a championship the last how many years.

Gasol
Pauchulia
Pauchulia
Thompson
Bogut
Splitter
Haslem
Anthony
Chandler
Bynum
Bynum
Perkins

Of those guys that are listed none of them at any time in their career averaged over 20 pts per game. Not once. That is the last 12 championship starting centers, none of them have averaged over 20 for a single season in their NBA career.

I think it is really hard to build around an offensive center in todays game, I think Kat is amazing and of course I would not trade him at the moment. I just think this is a wings game and that is not Kat's fault. of course you need better players around Kat, I mean the one year in his career he had an all nba wing with him we made the playoffs.

I do believe however that recent NBA history shows it is damn hard to build a contender when your Center is really bad at defense. It is the most important possession defensively and unfortunately Kat is not good at it.

Also of all the guys that you listed that you can't win with, all besides Booker have made the playoffs consistently as the best or 2nd best player on their respective team. Kat has the made the playoffs once as an 8 seed (even though it was better than you average 8 seed) and had one of the worst playoff performances ever by a star player in that series.

I would not trade Kat but I don't know if you can build a consistent team around Kat and that is not Kats fault.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

Durant/Curry = centerpiece
Lebron = centerpiece
Kawhi = centerpiece

You're always complaining about what guys are being paid. If you can't identify Towns as the centerpiece on this team, he is overpaid. You can't have it both ways.

So if The Wolves added Kawhi or LeBron to this team then what?

It's not that KAT is overpaid, EVERYONE ELSE IS OVERPAID.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

I don't think anyone is saying the Kat is the main problem. Kat is by far our best player. I think it just goes to what you think will be fastest most consistent way to build a contender. Here are the Centers that Have one a championship the last how many years.

Gasol
Pauchulia
Pauchulia
Thompson
Bogut
Splitter
Haslem
Anthony
Chandler
Bynum
Bynum
Perkins

Of those guys that are listed none of them at any time in their career averaged over 20 pts per game. Not once. That is the last 12 championship starting centers, none of them have averaged over 20 for a single season in their NBA career.

I think it is really hard to build around an offensive center in todays game, I think Kat is amazing and of course I would not trade him at the moment. I just think this is a wings game and that is not Kat's fault. of course you need better players around Kat, I mean the one year in his career he had an all nba wing with him we made the playoffs.

I do believe however that recent NBA history shows it is damn hard to build a contender when your Center is really bad at defense. It is the most important possession defensively and unfortunately Kat is not good at it.

Also of all the guys that you listed that you can't win with, all besides Booker have made the playoffs consistently as the best or 2nd best player on their respective team. Kat has the made the playoffs once as an 8 seed (even though it was better than you average 8 seed) and had one of the worst playoff performances ever by a star player in that series.

I would not trade Kat but I don't know if you can build a consistent team around Kat and that is not Kats fault.

What about Love or Bosh? They fit the KAT mold somewhat, Love more so with his real bad defense (KATs defense is better).

The truth is that which ever team has the LeBron or Kawhi plus All Star sidekicks will win. Or obviously the Warriors and their 3,4 or 5 All Star lineups.

KAT is an All Star sidekick. You are making him the centerpiece in your mind. We still don't have the centerpiece on the roster probably. (maybe Culver but I highly doubt it with his shooting so far)

Only Thibs thought what we had was a contending team. That was a major blunder and I knew it. He should have done everything to draft Doncic like I said before the draft. But we are now in this position and still looking for our Doncic.

[Coolbreeze44]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

Durant/Curry = centerpiece
Lebron = centerpiece
Kawhi = centerpiece

You're always complaining about what guys are being paid. If you can't identify Towns as the centerpiece on this team, he is overpaid. You can't have it both ways.

So if The Wolves added Kawhi or LeBron to this team then what?

It's not that KAT is overpaid, EVERYONE ELSE IS OVERPAID.

If we added Kawhi or Lebron to this team we could win with or without KAT. Those guys are worth more than you can pay them. Like it or not, KAT is paid to be the centerpiece on this team. He just doesn't have the same impact as a Kawhi, Lebron, Durant, Curry, Doncic, Giannis, or Harden. Not even close really.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

Durant/Curry = centerpiece
Lebron = centerpiece
Kawhi = centerpiece

You're always complaining about what guys are being paid. If you can't identify Towns as the centerpiece on this team, he is overpaid. You can't have it both ways.

So if The Wolves added Kawhi or LeBron to this team then what?

It's not that KAT is overpaid, EVERYONE ELSE IS OVERPAID.

If we added Kawhi or Lebron to this team we could win with or without KAT. Those guys are worth more than you can pay them. Like it or not, KAT is paid to be the centerpiece on this team. He just doesn't have the same impact as a Kawhi, Lebron, Durant, Curry, Doncic, Giannis, or Harden. Not even close really.

To ultimately win a Championship though, not even Jordan or LeBron could do it by themselves. KAT is by himself and needs better talent around him. He is the 31st highest paid NBA player. I would say he plays better then 31. I would say he is 15-20 range.

And yes you are right that Kawhi, LeBron and now of course Giannis are severely underpaid. Whatever team they are on is essentially rigged to win which creates the haves and have nots. In a fair system where LeBron or Kawhi take up half the CAP space, you could win with no all stars, just a bunch of solid above avg guys who play hard. But the NBA is rigged and terrible because of it.

[Coolbreeze44]

I'll say it again, just because KAT is on the team it is not stopping you from adding players better then him! His contract isn't stopping the team from making moves, while I could easily say Teagues 19, Wiggins 27, Diengs 16 are.

I definitely understand your perspective but I would rather keep talent then ship talent off. I'll agree with Lip and we can argue which sites numbers really reflect the truth (I think it more in between). If the Wolves front office can't build a winner with KAT then they should simply close up shop and leave.

Most of the mismanagement goes back to Thibs of course. Nearly every move he made as GM was a bad one. With a competent GM this team is a title contender right now, instead we had Thibs.

Saying that if the right deal came around, sure I would look to do it, but it would have to make sense. I don't see trading KAT for any wing that can score would make a difference.

I could argue you can't build around Nowitzki, but he won a Championship who played the 5 at times.

I could name a dozen other players you can't win with. How about Kyrie Irving (minus LeBron)? Devin Booker? Bradley Beal? Chris Paul? Westbrook? Harden? Paul George? Butler? Lillard? Oladipo? Conley? Kemba? Simmons? You can't win with those guys either.

Instead of proclaiming KAT the center piece, just consider him one piece. Now add more pieces.

If he's not the centerpiece, he too is overpaid.

Are the 30 ball handling players who make more then KAT AND not winning Championships overpaid too?

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-top-50-highest-paid-players/

The ONLY teams winning championships have MULTIPLE All Stars. KAT is one. Now go get me 2 and 3.

Curry/Klay/Durant/Draymond (or minus Durant)

LeBron/Kyrie/Love

Kawhi/Lowry/Siakim (all star this year)/Ibaka?

Kawhi/Duncan/Ginobli

Garnett/Pierce/Allen

LeBron/Wade/Bosh

Durant/Curry = centerpiece
Lebron = centerpiece
Kawhi = centerpiece

You're always complaining about what guys are being paid. If you can't identify Towns as the centerpiece on this team, he is overpaid. You can't have it both ways.

So if The Wolves added Kawhi or LeBron to this team then what?

It's not that KAT is overpaid, EVERYONE ELSE IS OVERPAID.

If we added Kawhi or Lebron to this team we could win with or without KAT. Those guys are worth more than you can pay them. Like it or not, KAT is paid to be the centerpiece on this team. He just doesn't have the same impact as a Kawhi, Lebron, Durant, Curry, Doncic, Giannis, or Harden. Not even close really.

To ultimately win a Championship though, not even Jordan or LeBron could do it by themselves. KAT is by himself and needs better talent around him. He is the 31st highest paid NBA player. I would say he plays better then 31. I would say he is 15-20 range.

And yes you are right that Kawhi, LeBron and now of course Giannis are severely underpaid. Whatever team they are on is essentially rigged to win which creates the haves and have nots. In a fair system where LeBron or Kawhi take up half the CAP space, you could win with no all stars, just a bunch of solid above avg guys who play hard. But the NBA is rigged and terrible because of it.

Agreed

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Since his return, we are back to giving up 120 a night.

[Coolbreeze44]

Since his return, we are back to giving up 120 a night.

It's not a coincidence