Fire Rosas

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.

The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.

I don't have high hopes either. I just said it's different. Obviously this is about Wiggins vs Russell since that was the trade. Right?

It probably won't work, considering the Wolves last 15 years and KAT's last 5. It would be surprising if it did work don't you think? Well yeah you do. lol

Really was there a good option to trade Wiggins for? GSW is probably the ideal situation for him. You're not going to get an superstar for a Wiggins. It is pretty obvious I would think. Getting another overpaid player is basically the deal.

First off: Hey, Bill Guerin, if you ever become General Manager of a team way out of the Western Conference race, but somehow even older and more expensive (relatively speaking) than the Wolves, that's how you do it. Feel free to get started any day now. Koivu would look great with a giant "B" on his chest. And if you get a good deal for that Russian whose name I refuse to learn because he is never coming over, unless you know something about world geopolitics that the rest of us don't, go with God.

Hey, WolvesFan21, You're quite the whiny little girl aren't you?

First, you "demand" the Vikes fire Spielman. A little math for you: The Vikes were one of seven teams to WIN A PLAYOFF GAME! Not Belichek. Not whomever replaced Ozzie Newsome. The Saints were too busy trying to save the catholic church. But Spielman did. And maybe if his "Defensive Genius" coach that you seem enamored with had figured out the Garoppolo couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and put 14 guys in the box, they might have won a couple of more. And the best part is, you missed his TWO WORST MOVES. One, he spent $28m/yr on Cousins when he could have had Kaepernik for for $7m, and brought back Sherels to "Catch punts" (surely not to cover WR's) and he dropped two of them. The issues with the OL are simple: Bradbury was a rookie and Elflein is a relative bust. Spielman now has 4 picks in the top 110. He's got work to do, but that's what happens to teams who kneecap themselves by $21mm.

Second, in the last week, Rosas has taken the "14th best" team in the west and made them better (Russell is better than anyone they traded away), Younger (the 11 players they have signed for next year are tied with ATL for youngest average age), cheaper (9th most cap room before draft pick holds with $17.5mm based on a 113/137 cap/lux this summer), and three picks that almost assuredly will be in the top 40. I give Rosas a B+ for the year. I haven't seen a great deal of Culver, but I've seen a lot of Herro, and maybe he should have just stayed put and drafted him, but it is early. The Teague deal had Taylor written all over it. Maybe he could have done something with the Crabbe/Turner expirings, but maybe he couldn't. And it makes me nervous that he talking about tying up Beasley long-term when he seems no better than Culver. But a young guy in his first year, pretty good.

And who are you anyway? Are you one of the 7 best in the world at what you do? Top 25th percentile? Is your field nearly as competitive? I'm guessing no. To quote the late great Bill Hicks, if you need to feel better about yourself, maybe some sit-ups and a brisk walk after dark.

KG Forever: I'm not going to run down the '15/'16 Wolves. That shot Blonde Ricky sunk on OKC. That dagger from KAT against GSW. I wouldn't try to take those memories away from you or anyone else in a millions years. But there's a few things that can't be denied. The GM who put that team together died a few days before the start of the season, so he wasn't going to be available the next summer to build on that success. The coach who pushed a lot of the right buttons was fired-slash-not-renewed. All those players are off their rookie deals, so they would be expensive to keep together. And last but not least, most of those guys plateaued, and Bazz definitely regressed. So to say that team would be a contender might be inaccurate. So maybe give the '20/'21 Wolves a chance. I didn't buy LeaguePass this year (I grew up in Hennepin county but now live in Central FL), but I definitely thinking about it for next year.

He's baaa-aaaaaack! Lol.

[Wolvesfan21]

Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.

The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.

I don't have high hopes either. I just said it's different. Obviously this is about Wiggins vs Russell since that was the trade. Right?

It probably won't work, considering the Wolves last 15 years and KAT's last 5. It would be surprising if it did work don't you think? Well yeah you do. lol

Really was there a good option to trade Wiggins for? GSW is probably the ideal situation for him. You're not going to get an superstar for a Wiggins. It is pretty obvious I would think. Getting another overpaid player is basically the deal.

First off: Hey, Bill Guerin, if you ever become General Manager of a team way out of the Western Conference race, but somehow even older and more expensive (relatively speaking) than the Wolves, that's how you do it. Feel free to get started any day now. Koivu would look great with a giant "B" on his chest. And if you get a good deal for that Russian whose name I refuse to learn because he is never coming over, unless you know something about world geopolitics that the rest of us don't, go with God.

Hey, WolvesFan21, You're quite the whiny little girl aren't you?

First, you "demand" the Vikes fire Spielman. A little math for you: The Vikes were one of seven teams to WIN A PLAYOFF GAME! Not Belichek. Not whomever replaced Ozzie Newsome. The Saints were too busy trying to save the catholic church. But Spielman did. And maybe if his "Defensive Genius" coach that you seem enamored with had figured out the Garoppolo couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and put 14 guys in the box, they might have won a couple of more. And the best part is, you missed his TWO WORST MOVES. One, he spent $28m/yr on Cousins when he could have had Kaepernik for for $7m, and brought back Sherels to "Catch punts" (surely not to cover WR's) and he dropped two of them. The issues with the OL are simple: Bradbury was a rookie and Elflein is a relative bust. Spielman now has 4 picks in the top 110. He's got work to do, but that's what happens to teams who kneecap themselves by $21mm.

Second, in the last week, Rosas has taken the "14th best" team in the west and made them better (Russell is better than anyone they traded away), Younger (the 11 players they have signed for next year are tied with ATL for youngest average age), cheaper (9th most cap room before draft pick holds with $17.5mm based on a 113/137 cap/lux this summer), and three picks that almost assuredly will be in the top 40. I give Rosas a B+ for the year. I haven't seen a great deal of Culver, but I've seen a lot of Herro, and maybe he should have just stayed put and drafted him, but it is early. The Teague deal had Taylor written all over it. Maybe he could have done something with the Crabbe/Turner expirings, but maybe he couldn't. And it makes me nervous that he talking about tying up Beasley long-term when he seems no better than Culver. But a young guy in his first year, pretty good.

And who are you anyway? Are you one of the 7 best in the world at what you do? Top 25th percentile? Is your field nearly as competitive? I'm guessing no. To quote the late great Bill Hicks, if you need to feel better about yourself, maybe some sit-ups and a brisk walk after dark.

KG Forever: I'm not going to run down the '15/'16 Wolves. That shot Blonde Ricky sunk on OKC. That dagger from KAT against GSW. I wouldn't try to take those memories away from you or anyone else in a millions years. But there's a few things that can't be denied. The GM who put that team together died a few days before the start of the season, so he wasn't going to be available the next summer to build on that success. The coach who pushed a lot of the right buttons was fired-slash-not-renewed. All those players are off their rookie deals, so they would be expensive to keep together. And last but not least, most of those guys plateaued, and Bazz definitely regressed. So to say that team would be a contender might be inaccurate. So maybe give the '20/'21 Wolves a chance. I didn't buy LeaguePass this year (I grew up in Hennepin county but now live in Central FL), but I definitely thinking about it for next year.

I said I don't hate this deal for DLO. It's a net neutral and really it is beyond time for Wiggins to go. I wouldn't have signed him to the deal in the first place, but Glen is an idiot and I think we can all agree on that.

I am NOT on the fire Rosas bandwagon. Many are already trashing him, but I think overall I would give him a C-. I need to see more to give him a fair shot. He's only been around for a year.

Spielman has been a a failure with his tenure as GM overall. He has been with the Vikings for 14 years, no SB appearances! Eventually you have to look at the guy calling the shots and point the finger at him for making too numerous to count bad moves. I could rehash them all, by far the worst was trading a 1st round pick (which could have ended up being Mahomes or Watson) for the often injured and never good QB in Bradford. He put his job on the line with that boneheaded move and it failed. Yet he was retained? Ziggy (SP?) is another terrible owner.

[kekgeek]

Cool- It's already a disaster. The Wolves have the worst record since starting 10-7. Now you can say they were holding players out and tanking, yeah sure they were. But then why are they tanking? Probably because the GM and most fans know they have not enough talent to compete. They could maybe sneak into the playoffs every year and get crushed. Or just miss the playoffs too and never get better. That doesn't make sense when the ability to lose to draft better players is an option.

Well we know they have no picks in 2021 right? So they have no reason to tank next season. I'm not a huge DLO guy, I don't think he's that good either, but then it's Wiggins who has had 6 years of doing nothing. I'll take a box of peanuts for Wiggins and be happy.

Yeah but for whatever production you gain with Russell over Wiggins, I think you lose more in the locker room and off the court. I sincerely hope it works but I have to give you my honest opinion on what i foresee. Spoiler alert - it isn't good.

The Wolves were never good with Wiggins either. You have to understand that it doesn't matter. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never saw Wiggins making the improvements to make this team a perennial contender either.

I'm seeing most TV pundits say the Wolves fleeced the Warriors. I don't see that of course. I think the trade could be a rare win-win.

I can say that at least it's something different. When things don't work or get better, try something else. Otherwise you are just insane!

Please don't misunderstand me. I have not been trying to make this a Russell vs Wiggins thing. To me that's irrelevant. I'm just telling you this new Towns-Russell tandem is not going to work as well as any of you think. It's a flawed plan from the start. I'm sorry no one seems to want to believe that, but I'm going to be right on this. No playoff series wins for a minimum of 8 years.

I don't have high hopes either. I just said it's different. Obviously this is about Wiggins vs Russell since that was the trade. Right?

It probably won't work, considering the Wolves last 15 years and KAT's last 5. It would be surprising if it did work don't you think? Well yeah you do. lol

Really was there a good option to trade Wiggins for? GSW is probably the ideal situation for him. You're not going to get an superstar for a Wiggins. It is pretty obvious I would think. Getting another overpaid player is basically the deal.

First off: Hey, Bill Guerin, if you ever become General Manager of a team way out of the Western Conference race, but somehow even older and more expensive (relatively speaking) than the Wolves, that's how you do it. Feel free to get started any day now. Koivu would look great with a giant "B" on his chest. And if you get a good deal for that Russian whose name I refuse to learn because he is never coming over, unless you know something about world geopolitics that the rest of us don't, go with God.

Hey, WolvesFan21, You're quite the whiny little girl aren't you?

First, you "demand" the Vikes fire Spielman. A little math for you: The Vikes were one of seven teams to WIN A PLAYOFF GAME! Not Belichek. Not whomever replaced Ozzie Newsome. The Saints were too busy trying to save the catholic church. But Spielman did. And maybe if his "Defensive Genius" coach that you seem enamored with had figured out the Garoppolo couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and put 14 guys in the box, they might have won a couple of more. And the best part is, you missed his TWO WORST MOVES. One, he spent $28m/yr on Cousins when he could have had Kaepernik for for $7m, and brought back Sherels to "Catch punts" (surely not to cover WR's) and he dropped two of them. The issues with the OL are simple: Bradbury was a rookie and Elflein is a relative bust. Spielman now has 4 picks in the top 110. He's got work to do, but that's what happens to teams who kneecap themselves by $21mm.

Second, in the last week, Rosas has taken the "14th best" team in the west and made them better (Russell is better than anyone they traded away), Younger (the 11 players they have signed for next year are tied with ATL for youngest average age), cheaper (9th most cap room before draft pick holds with $17.5mm based on a 113/137 cap/lux this summer), and three picks that almost assuredly will be in the top 40. I give Rosas a B+ for the year. I haven't seen a great deal of Culver, but I've seen a lot of Herro, and maybe he should have just stayed put and drafted him, but it is early. The Teague deal had Taylor written all over it. Maybe he could have done something with the Crabbe/Turner expirings, but maybe he couldn't. And it makes me nervous that he talking about tying up Beasley long-term when he seems no better than Culver. But a young guy in his first year, pretty good.

And who are you anyway? Are you one of the 7 best in the world at what you do? Top 25th percentile? Is your field nearly as competitive? I'm guessing no. To quote the late great Bill Hicks, if you need to feel better about yourself, maybe some sit-ups and a brisk walk after dark.

KG Forever: I'm not going to run down the '15/'16 Wolves. That shot Blonde Ricky sunk on OKC. That dagger from KAT against GSW. I wouldn't try to take those memories away from you or anyone else in a millions years. But there's a few things that can't be denied. The GM who put that team together died a few days before the start of the season, so he wasn't going to be available the next summer to build on that success. The coach who pushed a lot of the right buttons was fired-slash-not-renewed. All those players are off their rookie deals, so they would be expensive to keep together. And last but not least, most of those guys plateaued, and Bazz definitely regressed. So to say that team would be a contender might be inaccurate. So maybe give the '20/'21 Wolves a chance. I didn't buy LeaguePass this year (I grew up in Hennepin county but now live in Central FL), but I definitely thinking about it for next year.

He's baaa-aaaaaack! Lol.

Let's go!!!!!!!!!

[AbeVigodaLive]

Just a thought... I know Cool says "it's not about Wiggins thing"... why wasn't he this angry about the team's recent 5 - 28 record?

Why wasn't he this angry after so many losses with KAT and Wiggins? It was a terrible combination for 400+ games. That's an insane amount. And obvious to literally everybody who's being honest that it was an abject failure. It was PROVEN not to work. They haven't won a game together since Thanksgiving. It literally cannot get any worse than it is right now.

But now... NOW... Cool is out because it "probably" won't work out with Russell.

Ok. This has nothing to do with Wiggins and him backing him nonstop for 6 seasons. Gotcha.


[Note: And spare us the statlines when he does well, unless you share those when he sucks balls, too. Beyond that, I think a lot of people expect Wiggins to get better... away from Minnesota. The blame has never been 100% on Wiggins. He was the fulcrum for many problems, but I believe he'll be able to thrive elsewhere. Change of scenery trades happen all the time. It was needed. Maybe another one to get rid of Towns and/or Russell will be needed sooner than later... we'll know (and still be posting about it) soon enough.]]

[Coolbreeze44]

Just a thought... I know Cool says "it's not about Wiggins thing"... why wasn't he this angry about the team's recent 5 - 28 record?

Why wasn't he this angry after so many losses with KAT and Wiggins? It was a terrible combination for 400+ games. That's an insane amount. And obvious to literally everybody who's being honest that it was an abject failure. It was PROVEN not to work. They haven't won a game together since Thanksgiving. It literally cannot get any worse than it is right now.

But now... NOW... Cool is out because it "probably" won't work out with Russell.

Ok. This has nothing to do with Wiggins and him backing him nonstop for 6 seasons. Gotcha.


[Note: And spare us the statlines when he does well, unless you share those when he sucks balls, too. Beyond that, I think a lot of people expect Wiggins to get better... away from Minnesota. The blame has never been 100% on Wiggins. He was the fulcrum for many problems, but I believe he'll be able to thrive elsewhere. Change of scenery trades happen all the time. It was needed. Maybe another one to get rid of Towns and/or Russell will be needed sooner than later... we'll know (and still be posting about it) soon enough.]]

Who says I'm not angry about the way this season has gone? I'm very angry about it. I'm sorry I don't place all the blame on Wiggins for it. And I'm not saying it "probably" won't work out with Russell. I'm stating it flat out will not work out with Russell. For the dozenth time, I think it was Wiggins time to go. I wish it had worked out with him but ultimately it didn't.

If you feel the need to take shots at me, don't embellish what I'm saying. Other than that I can take anything you've got.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Just a thought... I know Cool says "it's not about Wiggins thing"... why wasn't he this angry about the team's recent 5 - 28 record?

Why wasn't he this angry after so many losses with KAT and Wiggins? It was a terrible combination for 400+ games. That's an insane amount. And obvious to literally everybody who's being honest that it was an abject failure. It was PROVEN not to work. They haven't won a game together since Thanksgiving. It literally cannot get any worse than it is right now.

But now... NOW... Cool is out because it "probably" won't work out with Russell.

Ok. This has nothing to do with Wiggins and him backing him nonstop for 6 seasons. Gotcha.


[Note: And spare us the statlines when he does well, unless you share those when he sucks balls, too. Beyond that, I think a lot of people expect Wiggins to get better... away from Minnesota. The blame has never been 100% on Wiggins. He was the fulcrum for many problems, but I believe he'll be able to thrive elsewhere. Change of scenery trades happen all the time. It was needed. Maybe another one to get rid of Towns and/or Russell will be needed sooner than later... we'll know (and still be posting about it) soon enough.]]

Who says I'm not angry about the way this season has gone? I'm very angry about it. I'm sorry I don't place all the blame on Wiggins for it. And I'm not saying it "probably" won't work out with Russell. I'm stating it flat out will not work out with Russell. For the dozenth time, I think it was Wiggins time to go. I wish it had worked out with him but ultimately it didn't.

If you feel the need to take shots at me, don't embellish what I'm saying. Other than that I can take anything you've got.

Yes. You've been clear about your apocalyptic take. I'm saying it probably won't work out.

And simply pointing out you didn't seem to be nearly this upset with the organization despite 13-game and then 12-game losing streaks within two months of each other...

... with two 1st round picks and max contract guys on the roster. It literally can't get worse than that. The franchise was dead in the water. That's not all Wiggins' fault, as has been stated many many many times.

But it was obvious that after 5 years, Wiggins + Towns was actually getting worse. That's insane. And made it obvious that a trade was needed.

Literally any trade. Even trading Wiggins for the Chandler Parsons... (well almost any trade). My point is that it can't get any worse.

They're the worst team in the league with Wiggins + Towns. They still might be with Russell + Towns. (even the most ardent Russell supporters seem to realize there are legit red flags) But at the very least they'll be able to move on from that duo easier than they've proven capable of doing with Wiggins.

[TheGrey08]

Just a thought... I know Cool says "it's not about Wiggins thing"... why wasn't he this angry about the team's recent 5 - 28 record?

Why wasn't he this angry after so many losses with KAT and Wiggins? It was a terrible combination for 400+ games. That's an insane amount. And obvious to literally everybody who's being honest that it was an abject failure. It was PROVEN not to work. They haven't won a game together since Thanksgiving. It literally cannot get any worse than it is right now.

But now... NOW... Cool is out because it "probably" won't work out with Russell.

Ok. This has nothing to do with Wiggins and him backing him nonstop for 6 seasons. Gotcha.


[Note: And spare us the statlines when he does well, unless you share those when he sucks balls, too. Beyond that, I think a lot of people expect Wiggins to get better... away from Minnesota. The blame has never been 100% on Wiggins. He was the fulcrum for many problems, but I believe he'll be able to thrive elsewhere. Change of scenery trades happen all the time. It was needed. Maybe another one to get rid of Towns and/or Russell will be needed sooner than later... we'll know (and still be posting about it) soon enough.]]

Who says I'm not angry about the way this season has gone? I'm very angry about it. I'm sorry I don't place all the blame on Wiggins for it. And I'm not saying it "probably" won't work out with Russell. I'm stating it flat out will not work out with Russell. For the dozenth time, I think it was Wiggins time to go. I wish it had worked out with him but ultimately it didn't.

If you feel the need to take shots at me, don't embellish what I'm saying. Other than that I can take anything you've got.

Outside of being upset that the team didn't turn the outgoing assets into something better or the 2021 pick, how does having Russell instead of Wiggins make the teams outlook any worse off? They were both on the books for the same amount of years left and Russell actually saves the team 4-5 over the last 3 years of his deal compared to Wiggins (DLo with a max deal and Wig with a supermax).

The roster is objectively better than it was before those 2 big trades and the single biggest thing with this swapping Wiggins for Russell is the fact KAT literally has no excuse now with regards to his defense. He now has the primary ball handler the team has needed so he no longer has the excuse that he has to single handedly put up 30+ a night.

[Coolbreeze44]

Just a thought... I know Cool says "it's not about Wiggins thing"... why wasn't he this angry about the team's recent 5 - 28 record?

Why wasn't he this angry after so many losses with KAT and Wiggins? It was a terrible combination for 400+ games. That's an insane amount. And obvious to literally everybody who's being honest that it was an abject failure. It was PROVEN not to work. They haven't won a game together since Thanksgiving. It literally cannot get any worse than it is right now.

But now... NOW... Cool is out because it "probably" won't work out with Russell.

Ok. This has nothing to do with Wiggins and him backing him nonstop for 6 seasons. Gotcha.


[Note: And spare us the statlines when he does well, unless you share those when he sucks balls, too. Beyond that, I think a lot of people expect Wiggins to get better... away from Minnesota. The blame has never been 100% on Wiggins. He was the fulcrum for many problems, but I believe he'll be able to thrive elsewhere. Change of scenery trades happen all the time. It was needed. Maybe another one to get rid of Towns and/or Russell will be needed sooner than later... we'll know (and still be posting about it) soon enough.]]

Who says I'm not angry about the way this season has gone? I'm very angry about it. I'm sorry I don't place all the blame on Wiggins for it. And I'm not saying it "probably" won't work out with Russell. I'm stating it flat out will not work out with Russell. For the dozenth time, I think it was Wiggins time to go. I wish it had worked out with him but ultimately it didn't.

If you feel the need to take shots at me, don't embellish what I'm saying. Other than that I can take anything you've got.

Yes. You've been clear about your apocalyptic take. I'm saying it probably won't work out.
I don't see anything here I disagree with.
And simply pointing out you didn't seem to be nearly this upset with the organization despite 13-game and then 12-game losing streaks within two months of each other...

... with two 1st round picks and max contract guys on the roster. It literally can't get worse than that. The franchise was dead in the water. That's not all Wiggins' fault, as has been stated many many many times.

But it was obvious that after 5 years, Wiggins + Towns was actually getting worse. That's insane. And made it obvious that a trade was needed.

Literally any trade. Even trading Wiggins for the Chandler Parsons... (well almost any trade). My point is that it can't get any worse.

They're the worst team in the league with Wiggins + Towns. They still might be with Russell + Towns. (even the most ardent Russell supporters seem to realize there are legit red flags) But at the very least they'll be able to move on from that duo easier than they've proven capable of doing with Wiggins.